Poll Question: How to Solve the National Debt Problem
teedubbya
14 years ago
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Hannity the Wall Banger.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
We should raise Brewha's taxes. He does not pay his fair share.
teedubbya
14 years ago
HD - we should start a fundraiser that if we raise enough contributions towards the deficit (1 T?) We will have a live event where Hannity gets tossed into an industrial meat grinder. Then he will be relevant!
teedubbya
14 years ago
We could also go with colmbs, gore etc. it matters not. there is plenty of hate out there and a lot of money backing it.
teedubbya
14 years ago
I've always thought I should find a way to exploit and profit from fear.... like insurance etc. but as I grow older I'm thinking hate may be the more solid choice.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

Always half full with LHD!

ZRX1200 wrote:




I'm just pointing it out that it isn't that simple to just say "end the police actions". It is true that the USA has been in perpetual undeclared war for a very long time. You would have to go back to the 1980s to even find a little peace break. These undeclared wars have added a great amount to our budget deficits and overall debt but are not even close to being the sole offender for overspending.

Anyone serious about cutting government spending will need to start with the military and then move on to Social Security. When you're trying to find a trillion dollars by whacking a couple of 5 billion dollar subsidies, you're going to be at it for a long time.

The Democrats are not even slightly serious about cutting spending. Their current proposal is more tax, borrow & spend.

The Republicans are only marginally serious about cutting spending because they've left the military spending out of the conversation. There proposal is still basically borrow & spend but they can't admit it.
teedubbya
14 years ago
meat grinder
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Maybe I an borrow money to spend on a meat grinder.......

Teedubya, box split?
teedubbya
14 years ago

Maybe I an borrow money to spend on a meat grinder.......

Teedubya, box split?

ZRX1200 wrote:



deal
tailgater
14 years ago

OK – back to my first suggestion; Stop wasting money on endless wars.
Don’t change thing one with the tax code. Just stop blowing trillions on these never ending police actions.

You agree with that HD?

Brewha wrote:



Finally something constructive.

Law of averages, probably, but still. It does suggest that our patience is at least partially rewarded.

teedubbya
14 years ago
I got a hunnert towards throwing Tom Brady in the grinder
tailgater
14 years ago

The speed with which you break orbit on a tangent trajectory would give the space shuttle pause. “back off the competition”? Seems you are propelled by the thrust of you own talking points more than any fuel I might be providing. I pointed to a fundamental need to balance, nothing more.

I know that conservatives don’t like level playing fields, witness the KKK, but rationalizing injustice as “life is unfair” – is just wrong. Would you standby for, or aid a lack of fairness? Have you no moral compass?

Is that a brown shirt you’re wearing?

Brewha wrote:



Sorry if I lost you on a tangent.
I must have refused to answer a simple question.

No, .....
Wait.

That was you.





And just for the record, the KKK didn't use the "life is unfair" mantra. They used hate.
And it's more than sad that you can't see the difference.
Brewha
14 years ago

Finally something constructive.

Law of averages, probably, but still. It does suggest that our patience is at least partially rewarded.

tailgater wrote:



And you, offering nothing except undue criticism. Obviously a Repuli-can’t
Brewha
14 years ago

Sorry if I lost you on a tangent.
I must have refused to answer a simple question.

No, .....
Wait.

That was you.

And just for the record, the KKK didn't use the "life is unfair" mantra. They used hate.
And it's more than sad that you can't see the difference.

tailgater wrote:



I did answer your questions, but apparently not simply enough. It is a hallmark of style thinking is it not, when one demands simple answers to complex questions.
Of course, to some the world is a simple place, painted in black and white with no shades of gray; simple and without ambiguity.



As for the sadness you feel, I can offer you this;

“Just to register emotion, jealousy - devotion,
And really feel the part.
I could stay young and chipper,
and I'd lock it with a zipper,
If I only had a heart.”

No need to thank me – it is complimentary.
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Yes play coy.....
HockeyDad
14 years ago
The Greek Austerity Plan

(This was passed just to get more foreign loans and to get existing debt due date extensions)



TAXES

* Taxes will increase by 2.32bn euros this year, with additional taxes of 3.38bn euros in 2012, 152m euros in 2013 and 699m euros in 2014.
* A solidarity levy of between 1% and 5% of income will be levied on households to raise 1.38bn euros.
* The tax-free threshold for income tax will be lowered from 12,000 to 8,000 euros.
* There will be higher property taxes
* VAT rates are to rise: the 19% rate will increase to 23%, 11% becomes 13%, and 5.5% will increase to 6.5%.
* The VAT rate for restaurants and bars will rise to 23% from 13%.
* Luxury levies will be introduced on yachts, pools and cars.
* Some tax exemptions will be scrapped
* Excise taxes on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol will rise by one third.
* Special levies on profitable firms, high-value properties and people with high incomes will be introduced.

PUBLIC SECTOR CUTS

* The public sector wage bill will be cut by 770m euros in 2011, 600m euros in 2012, 448m euros in 2013, 300m euros in 2014 and 71m euros in 2015.
* Nominal public sector wages will be cut by 15%.
* Wages of employees of state-owned enterprises will be cut by 30% and there will be a cap on wages and bonuses.
* All temporary contracts for public sector workers will be terminated.
* Only one in 10 civil servants retiring this year will be replaced and only one in 5 in coming years.

SPENDING CUTS

* Defence spending will be cut by 200m euros in 2012, and by 333m euros each year from 2013 to 2015.
* Health spending will be cut by 310m euros this year and a further 1.81bn euros in 2012-2015, mainly by lowering regulated prices for drugs.
* Public investment will be cut by 850m euros this year.
* Subsidies for local government will be reduced.
* Education spending will be cut by closing or merging 1,976 schools.

CUTTING BENEFITS

* Social security will be cut by 1.09bn euros this year, 1.28bn euros in 2012, 1.03bn euros in 2013, 1.01bn euros in 2014 and 700m euros in 2015.
* There will be more means-testing and some benefits will be cut.
* The government hopes to collect more social security contributions by cracking down on evasion and undeclared work.
* The statutory retirement age will be raised to 65, 40 years of work will be needed for a full pension and benefits will be linked more closely to lifetime contributions.

PRIVATISATION

* The government aims to raise 50bn euros from privatisations by 2015, including:
* Selling stakes this year in the betting monopoly OPAP, the lender Hellenic Postbank, port operators Piraeus Port and Thessaloniki Port as well as Thessaloniki Water.
* It has agreed to sell 10% of Hellenic Telecom to Deutsche Telekom for about 400m euros.
* Next year, the government plans to sell stakes in Athens Water, refiner Hellenic Petroleum, electricity utility PPC, lender ATEbank as well as ports, airports, motorway concessions, state land and mining rights.
* It plans further sales to raise 7bn euros in 2013, 13bn euros in 2014 and 15bn euros in 2015.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

The Greek Austerity Plan

(This was passed just to get more foreign loans and to get existing debt due date extensions)



TAXES

* Taxes will increase by 2.32bn euros this year, with additional taxes of 3.38bn euros in 2012, 152m euros in 2013 and 699m euros in 2014.
* A solidarity levy of between 1% and 5% of income will be levied on households to raise 1.38bn euros.
* The tax-free threshold for income tax will be lowered from 12,000 to 8,000 euros.
* There will be higher property taxes
* VAT rates are to rise: the 19% rate will increase to 23%, 11% becomes 13%, and 5.5% will increase to 6.5%.
* The VAT rate for restaurants and bars will rise to 23% from 13%.
* Luxury levies will be introduced on yachts, pools and cars.
* Some tax exemptions will be scrapped
* Excise taxes on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol will rise by one third.
* Special levies on profitable firms, high-value properties and people with high incomes will be introduced.

PUBLIC SECTOR CUTS

* The public sector wage bill will be cut by 770m euros in 2011, 600m euros in 2012, 448m euros in 2013, 300m euros in 2014 and 71m euros in 2015.
* Nominal public sector wages will be cut by 15%.
* Wages of employees of state-owned enterprises will be cut by 30% and there will be a cap on wages and bonuses.
* All temporary contracts for public sector workers will be terminated.
* Only one in 10 civil servants retiring this year will be replaced and only one in 5 in coming years.

SPENDING CUTS

* Defence spending will be cut by 200m euros in 2012, and by 333m euros each year from 2013 to 2015.
* Health spending will be cut by 310m euros this year and a further 1.81bn euros in 2012-2015, mainly by lowering regulated prices for drugs.
* Public investment will be cut by 850m euros this year.
* Subsidies for local government will be reduced.
* Education spending will be cut by closing or merging 1,976 schools.

CUTTING BENEFITS

* Social security will be cut by 1.09bn euros this year, 1.28bn euros in 2012, 1.03bn euros in 2013, 1.01bn euros in 2014 and 700m euros in 2015.
* There will be more means-testing and some benefits will be cut.
* The government hopes to collect more social security contributions by cracking down on evasion and undeclared work.
* The statutory retirement age will be raised to 65, 40 years of work will be needed for a full pension and benefits will be linked more closely to lifetime contributions.

PRIVATISATION

* The government aims to raise 50bn euros from privatisations by 2015, including:
* Selling stakes this year in the betting monopoly OPAP, the lender Hellenic Postbank, port operators Piraeus Port and Thessaloniki Port as well as Thessaloniki Water.
* It has agreed to sell 10% of Hellenic Telecom to Deutsche Telekom for about 400m euros.
* Next year, the government plans to sell stakes in Athens Water, refiner Hellenic Petroleum, electricity utility PPC, lender ATEbank as well as ports, airports, motorway concessions, state land and mining rights.
* It plans further sales to raise 7bn euros in 2013, 13bn euros in 2014 and 15bn euros in 2015.

HockeyDad wrote:







GREECE FIRE SALE!!!!




America is right behind!!!




It just doesn't want to dance to the tune yet!
tailgater
14 years ago




As for the sadness you feel, I can offer you this;

“Just to register emotion, jealousy - devotion,
And really feel the part.
I could stay young and chipper,
and I'd lock it with a zipper,
If I only had a heart.”

No need to thank me – it is complimentary.

Brewha wrote:



Awesome!
Made me laugh. Thanks Brew.
Brewha
14 years ago

Awesome!
Made me laugh. Thanks Brew.

tailgater wrote:



Your welcome tailgater – I enjoyed the banter with you as well.
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