Poll Question: How to Solve the National Debt Problem
Brewha
14 years ago

Yes play coy.....

ZRX1200 wrote:



Coy? No.
Now, you be carp.
On porous – just for the halibut.
borndead1
14 years ago

The Greek Austerity Plan

(This was passed just to get more foreign loans and to get existing debt due date extensions)



TAXES

* Taxes will increase by 2.32bn euros this year, with additional taxes of 3.38bn euros in 2012, 152m euros in 2013 and 699m euros in 2014.
* A solidarity levy of between 1% and 5% of income will be levied on households to raise 1.38bn euros.
* The tax-free threshold for income tax will be lowered from 12,000 to 8,000 euros.
* There will be higher property taxes
* VAT rates are to rise: the 19% rate will increase to 23%, 11% becomes 13%, and 5.5% will increase to 6.5%.
* The VAT rate for restaurants and bars will rise to 23% from 13%.
* Luxury levies will be introduced on yachts, pools and cars.
* Some tax exemptions will be scrapped
* Excise taxes on fuel, cigarettes and alcohol will rise by one third.
* Special levies on profitable firms, high-value properties and people with high incomes will be introduced.

PUBLIC SECTOR CUTS

* The public sector wage bill will be cut by 770m euros in 2011, 600m euros in 2012, 448m euros in 2013, 300m euros in 2014 and 71m euros in 2015.
* Nominal public sector wages will be cut by 15%.
* Wages of employees of state-owned enterprises will be cut by 30% and there will be a cap on wages and bonuses.
* All temporary contracts for public sector workers will be terminated.
* Only one in 10 civil servants retiring this year will be replaced and only one in 5 in coming years.

SPENDING CUTS

* Defence spending will be cut by 200m euros in 2012, and by 333m euros each year from 2013 to 2015.
* Health spending will be cut by 310m euros this year and a further 1.81bn euros in 2012-2015, mainly by lowering regulated prices for drugs.
* Public investment will be cut by 850m euros this year.
* Subsidies for local government will be reduced.
* Education spending will be cut by closing or merging 1,976 schools.

CUTTING BENEFITS

* Social security will be cut by 1.09bn euros this year, 1.28bn euros in 2012, 1.03bn euros in 2013, 1.01bn euros in 2014 and 700m euros in 2015.
* There will be more means-testing and some benefits will be cut.
* The government hopes to collect more social security contributions by cracking down on evasion and undeclared work.
* The statutory retirement age will be raised to 65, 40 years of work will be needed for a full pension and benefits will be linked more closely to lifetime contributions.

PRIVATISATION

* The government aims to raise 50bn euros from privatisations by 2015, including:
* Selling stakes this year in the betting monopoly OPAP, the lender Hellenic Postbank, port operators Piraeus Port and Thessaloniki Port as well as Thessaloniki Water.
* It has agreed to sell 10% of Hellenic Telecom to Deutsche Telekom for about 400m euros.
* Next year, the government plans to sell stakes in Athens Water, refiner Hellenic Petroleum, electricity utility PPC, lender ATEbank as well as ports, airports, motorway concessions, state land and mining rights.
* It plans further sales to raise 7bn euros in 2013, 13bn euros in 2014 and 15bn euros in 2015.

HockeyDad wrote:




Ooooooooh that's gonna hurt. 23% VAT tax? 30% pay cut for govt workers? 33% tax increase on gas and tobacco? OUCH!
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Ooooooooh that's gonna hurt. 23% VAT tax? 30% pay cut for govt workers? 33% tax increase on gas and tobacco? OUCH!

borndead1 wrote:




Did you read #121 & 122?

Really good stuff there.
borndead1
14 years ago
What we need to do is figure out how to get all the money back that we've given to foreign countries.

"Give us 100 billion or we send in the drones!"
HockeyDad
14 years ago
Austerity sucks! Now you can see why the Greeks are all pissed off. They get to have that austerity plan or go bankrupt and withdraw from the EU. Nice! One out of every five workers in Greece either work for the government or work for a government-owned company.


There are some key differences between Greece and the USA.

Greece is in trouble because they have already taxed the crap out of their people whereas the USA has room to inflict more pain. For example, we could solve our woes with something like a 10% VAT tax.

Nobody trusts Greece so the only loans they can get are at 16% interest. We still have creditors that trust the USA so we can get loans at 3%.
teedubbya
14 years ago
they are all so greecy
teedubbya
14 years ago
You know you're gold, you don't gotta worry none
Oasis child, born and so wild
Don't I know you better than the rest
All deception, all deception from you

Your love is stag in the white sand
Wilderness for miles, eyes so mild and wise
Don't I know you better than the rest
All deception, all deception from you

Any way you run, you run before us
Black and white horse arching among us

Your love is stag in the white sand
Oasis child born into a man
Don't I know you better than the rest
All deception, all deception from you

Wilderness for miles, eyes so mild and wise
Oasis child, born and so wild
Don't I know you better than the rest
All deception, all deception from you

Any way you run, you run before us
Black and white horse arching among us
Stinkdyr
14 years ago

Austerity sucks! Now you can see why the Greeks are all pissed off. They get to have that austerity plan or go bankrupt and withdraw from the EU. Nice! One out of every five workers in Greece either work for the government or work for a government-owned company.


There are some key differences between Greece and the USA.

Greece is in trouble because they have already taxed the crap out of their people whereas the USA has room to inflict more pain. For example, we could solve our woes with something like a 10% VAT tax.

Nobody trusts Greece so the only loans they can get are at 16% interest. We still have creditors that trust the USA so we can get loans at 3%.

HockeyDad wrote:




We just haven't Hoped&Changed and morphed USA into a more Greece-like structure yet............give us time.

🇨🇮
engletl
14 years ago

Define "fair share".

HockeyDad wrote:




IMO Fair Share would mean the elimination of all taxes and institute a singular National Sales Tax

That way if all you can afford is beanie weanies than you are taxed and if you can afford a Bugatti Veyron then you are taxed
borndead1
14 years ago

IMO Fair Share would mean the elimination of all taxes and institute a singular National Sales Tax

That way if all you can afford is beanie weanies than you are taxed and if you can afford a Bugatti Veyron then you are taxed

engletl wrote:



I agree, but it'll never happen. The uber mega super wealthy are actually the ones behind high income tax rates.

One of the main ways the uber mega super wealthy stay wealthy and powerful is by keeping other people from becoming rich.

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