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rfenst
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14 years ago

#21

Now if we wanna talk true pure unrestrained power of Big Gov, we can get into an IRS thread...

DadZilla3 wrote:

A better example is a federal bankruptcy judges here in the U.S. They have the power to break contracts, take property, wipe out debt and a whole bunch more. On top of that, they have the power to enforce their decisions by directly sending the U. S. Marshall to seize property as the bankruptcy judges see fit. That is, BK judges have unfettered power to seize property without prior and independent judicial review. IRS can't do that without a court order. BKY judge doesn't need an independent court order. That's some serious unrestrained power!

Aren't we supposed to be discussing...... capital punishment?

frankj1
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14 years ago

#22

I am opposed to the death penalty. Not because I give 2 sh*ts about a murderer's "rights" or "feelings", but because it is too much power for the government to have.

Why should we allow government to do that which is illegal for a citizen to do? Should we not hold the authorities to the same standard that we are held to? It is illegal for me to kill you, but if I do, the government can kill me? WTF?

The death penalty is the ultimate hypocrisy and the ultimate display of big government.

borndead1 wrote:

I understand rfenst saying your logic is faulty, I follow his line of logic, but I agree with you and would simply change your middle paragraph.

My statement would be that I am opposed to murder and do not want to be part of nor authorize one. When the state executes someone, no matter how deserving they may be, no matter how strongly I wish that person dead, I am an unwilling participant by my citizenship/membership in the state.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#23

frankj1 wrote:

Now, that makes sense.
But, don't you have some homework to do?

(BTW, my wife was cleaning her desk are and she found a small stack of Noah's Thank You Notes that were never done. I am embarrased. One of them was yours...

So, I told him that he needed to buy you a box of cigars. He told me to go play on my laptop...)

TMCTLT
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14 years ago

#24

I don't recall seeing anything in the Constitution regarding victims families when it comes to cruel and unusual punishment.

sadly, bad things happen and always will. That does'nt justify executuon .

wheelrite wrote:

Let it happen to one of yours and get back with us, I too like Trish have personal experience with this and it never goes away.

RICKAMAVEN
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14 years ago

#25

this thread wasn't about the merits or lack of merits of capital punishment or abortion

no one answered my question. should we applaud bush and perry for doing their job, that is killing people for the state.

for the chap that said he applauds any one that does his job. do you applaud your wife when she makes diner.

how about after sex.

doesn't it depend on the job.

rfenst
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14 years ago

#26

i'm against it and your for it. you have your reasons and i have mine.

do you applaud the person in charge of all the executions for doing his job?

RICKAMAVEN wrote:

I think I am missing the gist of your question. About the only thing I do when someone guilty of a terrible crime is executed is say: "It's about time.".

TMCTLT
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14 years ago

#27

If we could only count on the murderers and other criminals of heinous crimes to have the moral conviction to simply take themselves out we wouldn't have to count on the state or Fed. Gov.to do it!! But since they won't......
Someone's gotta do it for them.......and I'm OK with that

DadZilla3
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14 years ago

#28

One clear and undeniable advantage of capital punishment is that the rate of repeat offenders is exactly, precisely, and always will be now and forever...ZERO. Zip. Nada. Niente. Rien. Nichts. Hasta la vista, baby.

borndead1
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14 years ago

#29

Your argument is faulty (illogical). Here is why:

rfenst wrote:

So traffic light = murder?

Come on, man. I was making a basic (and admittedly idealistic) point.

robertknyc
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14 years ago

#30

I don't think capital punishment is a detergent.

rfenst wrote:

Neither do I.

frankj1
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14 years ago

#31

rfenst wrote:

Just read this, pretty funny. Too bad that Noah isn't more obedient, the cheapskate.

engletl
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14 years ago

#32

I don't think capital punishment is a detergent.

rfenst wrote:

Neither do I.

robertknyc wrote:

Well technically it is a detergent as it "washes" society of unruly law breakers

Brewha
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14 years ago

#33

If we are to have capital punishment, I vote for Lincoln.
I never liked Nebraska
8-[

rfenst
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14 years ago

#34

Well technically it is a detergent as it "washes" society of unruly law breakers

engletl wrote:

LOL!

Stinkdyr
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14 years ago

#35

Hang em High on the town green as a PPV event.

Half the proceeds go towards the debt the other half to the victims of the crime

engletl wrote:

Kawak
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14 years ago

#36

Neither do I.

robertknyc wrote:

It is a deterent for the executed to repeat a crime

robertknyc
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14 years ago

#37

Yes, but it's not a detergent.

bloody spaniard
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14 years ago

#38

I say it's a matter of accountability. Both the criminal and the executioner are accountable to a Higher Being.

Not sure now if I can still make an argument for capital punishment by splitting hairs over the difference between murdering & killing - used to justify killing of murderers via the Ten Commandments... Now with dna testing exonerating some...

Edited by user 14 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Charlie
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14 years ago

#39

It damn well deters the deviat from perpertrating further discourse on society!

As Hawk Harrelson would say, "He Gone"[ram27bat]

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#40

like it or not it is there.... and I believe it's necessary... there has to be line drawn somewhere.. a cops life has to worth more that the guy who sold you some bad crack on the street... imagine the chaos if shooting a cop only got you 10 years... 😟

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