DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/17/fast-furious-how-a-botched-operation-spawned-fatal/



Media still doesn't get it wasn't a mistake....

ZRX1200 wrote:




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/13/obama_spoke_about_fast__furious_before_holder_claimed_he_knew.html 
MCAddict
14 years ago
Let's see: Senate passes amendment to stop any further programs like F&F and Gunrunner Oct 18. 99-0

Issa issues sup to FBI questioning the "third gun" at Agent Terry's murder. To respond by Nov 3.

Today their grilling Napolitano. No surprise she's playing dumb. [gonzo]
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago

Let's see: Senate passes amendment to stop any further programs like F&F and Gunrunner Oct 18. 99-0

Issa issues sup to FBI questioning the "third gun" at Agent Terry's murder. To respond by Nov 3.

Today their grilling Napolitano. No surprise she's playing dumb. [gonzo]

MCAddict wrote:




She's not playing. In this administration it comes natural!😂
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Attorney General Eric Holder’s tenure in the Obama administration may be coming to an end. At least eight members of Congress have now called on Holder to resign over the growing Operation Fast and Furious scandal.

Republican Reps. Vicky Hartzler of Missouri, John Mica of Florida, Quico Canseco of Texas and Gus Bilirakis of Florida each told The Daily Caller on Thursday that they believe Holder should step down now. The number of members of Congress calling for Holder to end his career in government because of Fast and Furious is now eight, a number which has doubled in one day.

Previously, Republican Reps. Joe Walsh of Illinois, Raul Labrador of Idaho, Blake Farenthold of Texas and Paul Gosar of Arizona called on Holder to resign.

A spokesperson for Mica, a powerful congressman who serves on the House oversight committee and chairs the House Transportation Committee, told TheDC that he “thinks Attorney General Holder should resign, for more than just the Fast and Furious operation mishandling.”

Hartzler spokesman Steven Walsh said the congresswoman doesn’t think Holder is capable of leading the Justice Department after his flimsy May 3 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee.

“Congresswoman Hartzler is of the opinion that documents pertaining to Fast and Furious call into question Attorney General Holder’s testimony before the House Judiciary Committee,” Walsh said in an email. “In particular, she is concerned with his testimony regarding knowledge of the timeline of the gun program. Given the information we now have, she is of the opinion that Mr. Holder is not up to the task of advocating on behalf of the American people and should resign.”

At that May 3 hearing, Holder said he had not learned of Operation Fast and Furious until a few weeks before — even though Iowa GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley told TheDC he personally handed Holder an inquiry letter about the scandal months before. (RELATED: Rep. Joe Walsh to Holder: ‘Resign immediately’)

Since then Grassley and House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, the two leading congressional Fast and Furious investigators, have probed the White House for answers to questions about how Obama knew of the program before Holder claims he knew. Obama addressed Operation Fast and Furious in an interview on Univision about a month before Holder claims he first learned of the gun-walking program.

In an email, Canseco told TheDC that Operation Fast and Furious endangered many Americans in his Texas district, which includes “almost 800 miles of U.S.–Mexico border that is already struggling to deal with the threat of Mexican cartels and violence that is spilling over from Mexico into the United States.”

“Attorney General Holder’s approval of an operation that could put the lives of Americans at risk, as was the case with Operation Fast and Furious, and the fact that he misled Congress — whether intentionally or not — about his involvement has demonstrated to me that he does not possess the judgment that I believe is necessary to serve in the position of Attorney General of the United States,” Canseco said.

“Attorney General Holder’s lack of judgment has only made the situation along the U.S.–Mexico border that much more difficult to deal with as he made it possible for the Mexican cartels to be better armed, compliments of the American taxpayer.”

Canseco added that it would be in the best interest of Americans’ safety for Holder to step aside now.

“I call on him to put the safety and interests of the American people first and resign as Attorney General,” Canseco said.







Hmmmmmm. Well see.
MCAddict
14 years ago
Holder is scheduled to testify on Dec 8. I guess they've wiped all the hard drives and shred all they possibly can. Now it's coaching lessons or how to plead the 5th. [gonzo]
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Feinstein may have inadvertently confirmed Gunwalker ulterior motive

In a breaking news report concerning the Gunwalker scandal, Seattle Gun Rights Examiner Dave Workman indicates that Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-California, may have inadvertently confirmed the ulterior motive behind the scheme known as 'Operation Fast and Furious.'

During a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism late today, former Assistant Attorney-General Lanny Breuer provided testimony that confirms that the information presented to Congress by the Department of Justice, that guns were not being allowed to walk, was false.

Breuer's defense, however, is that he had only reported what he had been told by officials in the ATF and the DOJ, although that information turned out to be untrue.

The acknowledgment that false information had been provided to Congress came in response to questioning by Senator Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.

However, when it became Senator Dianne Feinstein's turn to question Breuer, the focus immediately changed to the 'need for gun control' and bans of so-called 'assualt weapons.' The California Democrat wasted no time in zeroing in on the common meme parroted by numerous Administration officials that the flow of guns across the border into Mexico from the United States must be stopped:

FEINSTEIN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that. Mr. Breuer, in June of this year, I received a letter from the ATF. This was in response to a letter I had asked them from Acting Director Melson, stating that 29,284 firearms recovered in Mexico in '09 and 2010, and submitted to the ATF tracing center. With those weapons, 20,504, or 70 percent, were United States sourced. A country of origin for the remaining firearms apparently could not be determined by ATF, meaning that the number could be much higher. What info -- what actually is the number? Now this was back in June. Is that the most current number? Is it fair to some that 70 percent of the firearms showing up in Mexico are from the United States?

BREUER: Thank you, Senator, for the question, and for your leadership on this issue. You have, of course, identified the paramount issue that we have to face as we deal with transnational organized crime from the Mexican cartels. From my understanding, 94,000 weapons have been recovered in the last five years in Mexico. Those are just the ones recovered, not the ones that are in Mexico. Of the 94,000 weapons that have been recovered in Mexico, 64,000 of those are traced to the United States. We have to do something to prevent criminals from getting those guns, Senator. That is my understanding of the most accurate numbers.

FEINSTEIN: Well, you see, this is a deep concern for me. And I know others disagree, but we have very lax laws when it comes to guns. I think this, to some extent, influences the ATF in how they approach the problem, as to whether they have political support or not. But I think these numbers are shocking. And I think when you know the number of deaths these guns have caused, used by cartels against victims, it's in -- literally up in the tens of thousands. So the question comes, what can we do? And I'd really rather concentrate on the constructive rather than other things. And so the question comes, do you believe that if there were some form of registration when you purchase these firearms that that would make a difference?

Not only did Feinstein immediately jump into the subject of gun control, but she repeated the very falsehood the Administration used from the beginning to justify its illegal operation in the Gunwalker scheme--that the vast majority of the guns used by Mexican drug cartels come from the United States.

But Feinstein's statement depicts the growing discrepancy on the figures used by the Administration to attempt to justify gun bans. Early on it was 90% of the guns came from the United States. This was repeated by Barack Obama, Janet Napolitano, Hillary Clinton, and others. Now, however, the figure has mysteriously dropped to 70%.

Why? Even the 70% figure is wrong. But the Administration obviously now sees that it shot itself in the foot by overreaching on the figures. The 90% figure is patently and grossly false. Thus, the figure was lowered. But even the 70% figure cannot be justified by the facts.

The key to understanding the 70% mantra is the phrase, "Of the weapons recovered." The firearms that have been recovered in Mexico represent only a small fraction of the total number of weapons used in criminal activity in the country.

In addition, an analysis provided by Pajamas Media indicates that a more realistic figure is that only 8% of guns recovered in Mexico came from licensed U.S. gun dealers, as reported to Congress by ATF management. Here are the correct figures:

Of the 100,000 weapons recovered by Mexican authorities, only 18,000 were determined to have been manufactured, sold, or imported from the United States, and of those 18,000, just 7,900 came from sales by licensed gun dealers.

That figure has been confirmed by ATF Deputy Assistant Director Bill McMahon.

In spite of Feinstein's all-too-obvious attempt to turn Breuer's testimony into a gun ban love-fest, Workman says it didn't seem to go anywhere:

Feinstein’s attempt to change the subject and the focus toward gun control does not appear to have impressed anyone. Breuer’s assertion that “very few hunters
or sports people
really need to have semiautomatic weapons or long guns” may come as a shock to the presidents of Winchester Repeating Arms, Browning, Remington, Mossberg, Benelli, Beretta, Sturm Ruger and others, who annually sell thousands of semi-auto shotguns to hunters, competitors and sport shooters.


In other words, sportsmen and hunters love those types of weapons so much that gun manufacturers have trouble keeping up with the demand. And, Feinstein just may well have proved that Fast and Furious was nothing more than the illegal handiwork of gun ban hysterics who needed a reason to enact more gun control, even if that reason were trumped up.


http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/feinstein-may-have-inadvertently-confirmed-gunwalker-ulterior-motive?do_not_mobile_redirect=1 
MCAddict
14 years ago
Under Fienstein's "assault" weapons ban in the late 90's, if I had chosen not to move out of California, I would now be a felon with the guns I legally purchased there before the the ban went into effect in '99. If I choose to move back to Cali with my guns, I would be a felonious gunrunner especially since I have since legally purchased more "ban-list" firearms here in Utah. Issa and Grassley better watch it...Feintstein and her ilk will hijack this investigation overnight. What a bitch. [gonzo]
MCAddict
14 years ago
After listening and watching his "testimony", I'm convinced that Holder is an **** with no soul. He answers to his fuehrer and that's it. [gonzo]
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Embattled Attorney General Eric Holder today demanded The Daily Caller stop publishing articles about the growing calls in Congress for his resignation because of the failed Operation Fast and Furious gun-walking program.

As Holder’s aide was escorting the attorney general offstage following his remarks Tuesday afternoon at the White House, a Daily Caller reporter introduced himself and shook Holder’s hand. The reporter asked him for a response to the growing chorus of federal legislators demanding his resignation.

Holder stepped towards the exit, then turned around, stepped back toward the reporter, and sternly said, “You guys need to — you need to stop this. It’s not an organic thing that’s just happening. You guys are behind it.”

Holder then walked offstage without answering TheDC’s request for comment about calls for his resignation.

Watch:

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Fast and Furious was a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program, overseen by the Justice Department, which facilitated the sale of thousands of weapons to Mexican drug cartels via straw purchasers. Straw purchasers are people who can legally purchase guns in the United States but do so with the intention of illegally trafficking them into Mexico.

At least 300 people in Mexico were killed with Fast and Furious weapons, as was Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

Currently 52 members of Congress, three presidential candidates and two sitting Governors have called for Holder’s immediate resignation. Many of those lawmakers and political figures have issued statements exclusively to The Daily Caller in which they have called for Holder to step down. This is chiefly because TheDC is the most prominent mainstream media outlet covering this burgeoning international scandal. (RELATED: Members of Congress calling for Holder’s immediate resignation)

Holder is the nation’s leading law enforcement official and reports directly to President Barack Obama.

This was not the first time Holder has criticized The Daily Caller’s coverage of Operation Fast and Furious. In his first-ever unsolicited letter to Congress about the gun-walking operation on October 7, Holder criticized Rep. Paul Gosar for comments he made exclusively to TheDC. Gosar had said the Obama administration officials responsible for Fast and Furious were equivalent to “accessories to murder.”

Holder was the primary speaker at a White House event Tuesday intended to publicize a new national campaign stigmatizing the purchase of counterfeit consumer goods including clothing, medicines, software, songs and movies.

One of the ads unveiled during the event asked consumers not to buy such products because the money would help illegal gunrunners.

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dubleuhb
14 years ago
This is such BS that this isn't front and center for people to see. I'm sure there is way more to this than will ever be known.
jetblasted
14 years ago
Obama Admin Seals Records of Murdered Border Patrol Agent Implicated in Fast and Furious - Nov. 30, 2011 ‱ By MARK HEMINGWAY

And to think that Attorney General Eric Holder is getting testy about congressional calls for his resignation. After all, the Justice Department has nothing to hide, right?:

The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.

This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.

The murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent is related to the Justice Department willingly turning over thousands of guns to Mexican criminal gangs, and Obama administration is hiding information about his death from the public. Amazing.
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