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HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#81

:-"

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#82

😳 😳 😳 😳

MACS
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14 years ago

#83

Rolling STONED magazine? Yeah, they're not left at all. [sarcasm]

And ya gotta love how the OP automatically assumes anyone who doesn't agree has a "thick skull".

I've lived in the "ghetto". I've seen the cycle of abuse that goes on with people living off the gubmint and teaching their kids to do the same. I chose to leave.

How the folks who have money are screwing me, I have NO idea. I seem to be doing just fine. I make more than I spend, I have money in the bank, a nice house, a nice car and I am saving for retirement.

I suppose the OP would like me more if I'd stayed in the ghetto and knocked up a chick and refused to marry her so she could collect welfare... all while I worked under the table. [frypan]

frankj1
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14 years ago

#84

I believe I have made it perfectly clearly that I support the protesters through the manufacture and sale of high quality torch & pitchfork sets.

HockeyDad wrote:

yup, you did. went back and checked. skip one speed reading class and look what happens.

Withdrawn.

pdxstogieman
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14 years ago

#85

MACS wrote:

Instead of making a lame statement that the magazine that publishes the article by Taibbi that I linked in the original post is "Left". Why don't you try and refute some of the substance of the article. Also why don't you take a look at the Levin Report that I linked that has plenty of factual evidence of the criminal fraud that Goldman Sachs perpetrated. If you have no interest in how billions of taxpayer dollars are being transferred to the operators of the fed and individuals in the banking industry. If it doesn't bother you at all that the movers and shakers on Wall street have systematically, with the aid of well bribed (in the form of campaign contributions) politicians of both parties and owned regulators that are currying favor with those they ostensibly regulate to obtain lucrative positions with them in the future, torn down the regulations that were in place to prevent the kind of fraud that morally bankrupt firms like Goldman Sachs perpetrated. If you have no interest in how the socialist, not capitalist, re-distribution of wealth upward is occurring via bailout money, financed by the attendant tax of inflation. If you have no idea how these people are screwing you then you indeed have a thick skull.

I too make more than I spend, have a nice car, a house, a retirement fund (that those lovable scamps on wall street are continuously trying to steal through flash trading, skimming, creating bubbles that they profit on on the way up and then can quickly execute programmed trades to profit on the way down while "buy and hold" investors like most of us are caught and f@cked) etc, but I have my eyes open to what these thieves who create no value, but profit simply from manipulating and betting on the market they've manipulated, and when that doesn't pan out either collecting on the insurance they'be placed against the bet or collecting from the taxpayers in the form of bailouts, and the other thieves who maintain a lucrative franchise on the printing of money, and also are making the decision on how much will be printed and how it will be distributed.

Here's another article that you'll blow off as "left" probably without even reading that describes how these crimes are being covered up:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes-20110817

Just because you and I are doing ok today, doesn't mean that opportunities to do the same aren't shrinking for many others who aren't the "gubmint welfare abusers" you'd like to think are the only ones who might be a bit concerned at the systematic fleecing of most of the US citizenry. It doesn't mean that you won't be impacted if this type of crap is allowed to continue on such massive scale. You certainly don't have any idea, or interest in understanding what's being done to screw you, That retirement fund is something you better watch because it's probably invested in ways that make it fair game for the kind of games Goldman Sachs and other "financial sector" organized criminal enterprises are playing every day to part you from your $.

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#86

Fist shaking in the air outrage!

MACS
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14 years ago

#87

pdx - If you believe that it's only the right doing these things, you're an idiot. It isn't a left or a right monopoly.

Our government has gotten out of control. It's not the fault of people who have money. It rests squarely with the politicians, who are in office to look out for the public's best interest, ostensibly, but who continue to bend us over the table.

Their sense of entitlement is ridiculous. Left AND right. A military man or woman has to work 20 years to get a pittance of a retirement. What amounts to 50% of 60%. Yet... the politicians who send them into harms way do ONE TERM and get 100% of their pay and benefits for LIFE?

Until we, as a society, change things like THAT... the politicians will have zero motivation to do the right thing by us.

The toilet bowl that is Washington DC is full of shit and needs to be flushed and scrubbed.

Rich people are to blame, yes... the rich fucking politicians.🌫

FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

#88

MACS wrote:

You both are saying essentially the same damn thing. What are you arguing over?

MACS
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14 years ago

#89

He's blaming rich people. I'm blaming politicians, who all happen to be rich people because they're politicians, and therefore - crooked.

teedubbya
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14 years ago

#90

I blame canada... and france

FuzzNJ
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14 years ago

#91

He's blaming rich people. I'm blaming politicians, who all happen to be rich people because they're politicians, and therefore - crooked.

MACS wrote:

If it doesn't bother you at all that the movers and shakers on Wall street have systematically, with the aid of well bribed (in the form of campaign contributions) politicians of both parties and owned regulators that are currying favor with those they ostensibly regulate to obtain lucrative positions with them in the future, torn down the regulations that were in place to prevent the kind of fraud that morally bankrupt firms like Goldman Sachs perpetrated.

and when that doesn't pan out either collecting on the insurance they'be placed against the bet or collecting from the taxpayers in the form of bailouts, and the other thieves who maintain a lucrative franchise on the printing of money, and also are making the decision on how much will be printed and how it will be distributed.

pdxstogieman wrote:

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#92

Once the USA goes bankrupt due to endless liberal-sponsored entitlements, French peacekeeper troops will re-occupy the Louisiana Purchase.

teedubbya
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14 years ago

#93

yea so they can sell it on the cheap or surrender it again

DrafterX
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14 years ago

#94

Once the USA goes bankrupt due to endless liberal-sponsored entitlements, French peacekeeper troops will re-occupy the Louisiana Purchase.

HockeyDad wrote:

We'll just blow up the levees again.... 😟

HockeyDad
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14 years ago

#95

yea so they can sell it on the cheap or surrender it again

teedubbya wrote:

The only buyer will be China. First it will need refurbishment.

pdxstogieman
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14 years ago

#96

Where do I say the "right" is the only party doing these things? I've posted my disgust at Obama taking record donations from Wall Street and his administration which has included several Goldman Sachs shills, and which has been trying to broker deals that would help the guilty on wall street avoid prosecution. It's bi-partison corruption. Wall Street and the monied elite buy incumbents.

You say, "Our government has gotten out of control. It's not the fault of people who have money. It rests squarely with the politicians, who are in office to look out for the public's best interest, ostensibly, but who continue to bend us over the table". I haven't said, nor do I think ALL people with money are at fault, there are however, members of the monied power elite that have been, and continue to do their utmost to buy politicians, tear down necessary regulations that would've prevented some of the worst wall street abuses that caused the economy to implode, and buy off regulatory personnel with the promise of lucrative employment after they're done "regulating" their future employers. Then we get a supreme court that rules "corporations are people" therebye accelerating the infusion of big money bribery, i.e., "campaign contributions" into politics to ensure that the electorate can be pervasively manipulated via the media to vote against their interests.

Some ultra rich people are to blame, yes, along with the rich politicians they own.

I am going to vote against every incumbent elected official I have a vote to use on if they can't demonstrate they're actively going to support reforms aimed at reducing the ever more extreme tilt of the playing field caused by money, bribery and corruption. Perhaps that brings in a new set of tools to get corrupted but perhaps the message gets across in time.

Turn out the damn politicians that take the money and f#ck the people, but first and foremost, damn the people that buy them and have them do their bidding and the people on wall street that have been involved in perpetrating massive fraud that has to date gone unprosecuted.

MACS
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14 years ago

#97

^Well, maybe we are screaming obscenities from the same soapbox.

pdxstogieman
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14 years ago

#98

Once the USA goes bankrupt due to endless liberal-sponsored entitlements, French peacekeeper troops will re-occupy the Louisiana Purchase.

HockeyDad wrote:

You're a total tool. The cause of bankruptcy would in your book be "liberal sponsored entitlements". Total horse****. You don't want to mention the 2.5 wars over the last 11 years that were financed by debt to China and the $800 billion of bailout to pay the finance sector scum full market value on distressed assets.

You should replace O'Reilly on Faux News.

pdxstogieman
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14 years ago

#99

^Well, maybe we are screaming obscenities from the same soapbox.

MACS wrote:

Are we in violent agreement on certain key points?

MACS
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14 years ago

#100

Are we in violent agreement on certain key points?

pdxstogieman wrote:

Yes, we are... this one, especially.

I am going to vote against every incumbent elected official I have a vote to use on if they can't demonstrate they're actively going to support reforms aimed at reducing the ever more extreme tilt of the playing field caused by money, bribery and corruption. Perhaps that brings in a new set of tools to get corrupted but perhaps the message gets across in time.

pdxstogieman wrote:

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