teedubbya
14 years ago

Fuzz,
Answer one simple question:

If Mitt Romney asked all white people in the same vein that Obama targeted the black community, would you consider it to be racist?

And this would include Mitt saying "I want the WHITE community to come together, etc..."

tailgater wrote:



Oh oh pick me Mr. Cot AIR


I would not find him racist. Both sides are actively targeting the Hispanic community too. Not racist. Just politics and to a certain extent sociology.

Whites have always targeted whites. It is so natural it is subtle now. We have a black president (I know yall noticed he is black from reading about the kenyan king, not one of us (birther), presidentin be hard, ghetto arse etc). It is a fairly new unique thing for this country. It doesn't suprise me he would try to energize his community. Old white guys have done it for a long time. Wait till our first latino prez. your brains would splode when they court their own communities. Frankly I look forward to the use of lowrider as a campaign song.

And the simple truth is nothing is stopping Mitt from saying what you would like him to say above "And this would include Mitt saying "I want the WHITE community to come together, etc..."
" other than Mitt himself. Go ahead....say it if that's what you want. You know many are thinking it including him. Of course he would like to get the majority of the white vote. The only thing stopping is his calculation of what will work and not work for him.

There are people that will not vote for the Big O because he is black. There are likely people who will not vote for Mitt because he is white or Morman (he did court the morman vote).

Meh.

The world goes on.
tailgater
14 years ago

Is the 'pure' definition different than the dictionary definition?

And certainly it discriminates, as it acknowledges a difference by targeting one group, just as any one who does the god awful job of marketing does constantly. But it's not racist. He's not attributing a stereotype or claiming superiority or inferiority, he's acknowledging a constituency.

What if a Jewish guy talks to a Jewish organization and said β€œmotivate your flocks to come out and vote”? Racist? No, addressing a constituency.

Not being racist or a bigot doesn't mean you can't acknowledge skin color, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, rich/poor. Not acknowledging it is to think that bigotry and racism don't exist, and you have said that it does. Why is it that only when someone who is black talking to black people wrong and not other groups?

FuzzNJ wrote:




So again:
Mitt Romney going on TV and asking for WHITE churches to stump for him is OK?
Mitt Romney using the words "White Americans should vote for me" would be simply a campaign slogan?

We all know the answers.

But I want to hear them from our resident Obama supporter.
No need to cloud the issue with youtubes about the hispanic vote.

Just answer the question.
teedubbya
14 years ago

So again:
Mitt Romney going on TV and asking for WHITE churches to stump for him is OK?
Mitt Romney using the words "White Americans should vote for me" would be simply a campaign slogan?

We all know the answers.

But I want to hear them from our resident Obama supporter.
No need to cloud the issue with youtubes about the hispanic vote.

Just answer the question.

tailgater wrote:




Yes. He can do it if he choses. No one is stopping him. If it works out...great. If it doesn't ... too bad. What is the issue?
teedubbya
14 years ago
A candidate self-censors themselves because (presumably according to your scenareo) to honestly express what they think will not play well towards getting them elected and you are mad at the other guy. Cry me a river.
DrafterX
14 years ago
If only Mitt were black..... 😞
teedubbya
14 years ago
Boo hoo hoo.... it's just not fair. when did we become such cry babys. Quit the pillowbiting and fight.

If I was running of course I would want all white folk to vote for me. All black folk too. Browns etc. Any group I was in front of I would encourage to vote for me.
DrafterX
14 years ago
you'd especially want the gay-homos vote huh..... πŸ˜•
teedubbya
14 years ago

you'd especially want the gay-homos vote huh..... πŸ˜•

DrafterX wrote:



yup.


WWBBD? Bill Beli would cheat. Mitt needs to cheat. It's better than sitting around pouting about its not fair. Go out and win. If the other side is getting away with something do it yourself, of find something YOU can exploit Nancy.
DrafterX
14 years ago

yup.


teedubbya wrote:




Would two terms be long enough to fulfill all your gay-homo promises..... πŸ˜•
teedubbya
14 years ago

Would two terms be long enough to fulfill all your gay-homo promises..... πŸ˜•

DrafterX wrote:




I just watchred J. Edgar last weekend.
Rclay
14 years ago
I re-watched Grown Ups and 50 First Dates. Love those two
teedubbya
14 years ago

I re-watched Grown Ups and 50 First Dates. Love those two

Rclay wrote:



Pretty much the same movie as J. Edgar.
tailgater
14 years ago

Boo hoo hoo.... it's just not fair. when did we become such cry babys. Quit the pillowbiting and fight.

If I was running of course I would want all white folk to vote for me. All black folk too. Browns etc. Any group I was in front of I would encourage to vote for me.

teedubbya wrote:




TW,
This post and post #44 indicates that you have no idea what is being discussed.

No one is bemoaning the fact that Mitt can't embrace whitey.

There are two issues:

1. The double standard, or hypocrisy, regarding what Obama is doing and what the fallout would be if Mitt did it.

2. The fact that in a previous discussion, I was telling Fuzz how Obama was dividing the country. Mostly by economic (99% anyone?) and by political leanings. But also, by default mostly, by race.
He said that wasn't true, and then Obama came to the rescue with his video asking Black Americans to seperate themselves from white America by voting for him despite not knowing who the opposition was going to be.

Then you come along and think that I'm upset because Mitt can't collectively hug the white folk?

If you can't keep up with the adults we're going to have to ask you leave.

teedubbya
14 years ago
define it with your blinders all you want but I don't play that game. you have always done that.

Mitt CAN embrace whitey. The Big O can embrace whomever he wants. As for double standards, hypocracy etc. who are you mad at? you have defined a situation that hasn't happened then got upset about what would have happened. Sounds like you might be mad at yourself or your whitey friends for allowing yourselves to be persecuted.

Mitt can do it, the Big O can do it ... no one is stopping it. so yes if we can build a vacuum that perfectly matches what we desire in a discussion and then complain that anything outside that vacuum is wrong life is all smiley. but that's not reality. it just makes us feel better when artificially supporting our argument.

As for dividing the country and that other thread... meh they all do it. Always have, always will. Call a whaaaamblance.

And get over it porkchop.
tailgater
14 years ago

define it with your blinders all you want but I don't play that game. you have always done that.

Mitt CAN embrace whitey. The Big O can embrace whomever he wants. As for double standards, hypocracy etc. who are you mad at? you have defined a situation that hasn't happened then got upset about what would have happened. Sounds like you might be mad at yourself or your whitey friends for allowing yourselves to be persecuted.

Mitt can do it, the Big O can do it ... no one is stopping it. so yes if we can build a vacuum that perfectly matches what we desire in a discussion and then complain that anything outside that vacuum is wrong life is all smiley. but that's not reality. it just makes us feel better when artificially supporting our argument.

As for dividing the country and that other thread... meh they all do it. Always have, always will. Call a whaaaamblance.

And get over it porkchop.

teedubbya wrote:



Fuzz gets mad better than you do.
You just get pisssy. Like a broad who just got dumped.

"they all do it" blah blah blah.
That's the same reason people like you claim prison sex isn't ghey.

Coincidence?

DrafterX
14 years ago
Life is good sitting on da fence.... 🀣
teedubbya
14 years ago

Fuzz gets mad better than you do.
You just get pisssy. Like a broad who just got dumped.

"they all do it" blah blah blah.
That's the same reason people like you claim prison sex isn't ghey.

Coincidence?

tailgater wrote:




Lol now at least the truth is out. you want fuzz or someone to get mad and it's no fun when they (I) dont.

I think you should take your petulant frenzy, whip it up a bit and get some followers. You think that is what the other side would do (you could be right...who knows... mitt won't test it) so you should do it too. Maybe you should do it in a cigar forum and start a silent yet active movement.

I don't think the Big O does much politically that anyone else doesn't do and really don't get too worked up when their guy, or my guy does it. *shrug*

If it makes you feel better I'll act like I'm upset though. Which model should I emulate.... the sarge in starsty and hutch or maybe a more sinister Christopher Walkin character.


This whole Obama thing trying to energize the black community to support him really PISSES ME OFF!!!

you are right. artificial outrage feels pretty good.
DrafterX
14 years ago
Try the Full Metal jacket sarge... 😟
teedubbya
14 years ago
I was thinking a CROS between Col. Nathan R. Jessep and Sgt. Stedenko
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
TG is showing the same attitude that leads to complaining 'why can 'they' say n*gger and I can't even say makaka' and constant worries that white america is being persecuted. Oh no those people are gonna make white people's lives as bad as we made their lives if they run things.

Thinking Obama is racist and misrepresenting what he is doing is racist in and of itself.
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