matchew
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:29:40 PM

Yeah... I've always lived in safe areas. Downtown Baltimore is like candyland at 2-3am... SE DC at 4am is practically a kindergarten playground.

You jump someone from behind when you're main goal is to hurt them as badly as possible in as short a period of time as possible. The entire "behind" part of it means that the people getting jumped didn't have an opportunity to instigate something, they don't know it's coming. To follow the logical conclusion, that means that the attackers want to hurt the people because of the way they look. Either their race, or because they "look gay" or because they're wearing a Cowboy's jersey.

victor809 wrote:

THAT's a reason to beat someone's azz, right there!

All kidding aside, I'm glad your friends are doing ok. I believe there have been some "gay", "hate" crimes in

Georgetown over the last several months. Georgetown is such a cool place to hang out, at least it used to be.

Seems that nowhere is safe anymore.

And yes, you haven't lived till you've been in SE, D.C. at ANYTIME in the morning.

HockeyDad
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:31:32 PM

Ya know TG, you assume I am looking for some sort of hate crime type prosecution. That's really not the axe I'm trying to grind at this time. If you read my initial post, the reason I posted this is because I see a lot of people saying sh%t which, while not itself aggressive gives other people (idiots) the idea that their behavior would be acceptable. You do realize that when you make a statement that implies you are barely tolerating the existence of any group of people "as long as they do it in the privacy of their own home", "I'm not gonna tell them what to do, but I don't want to know it exists" (gays, blacks, cowboys fans) some people with very poor reading comprehension (DMV) interpret those statements to be "Boy I wish this group of people didn't exist".

Get enough of those people to hear/read that (and trust me, we have a lot of people with poor reading comprehension), and one is going to act on it.

Fights happen for a lot of reasons. But when large groups of individuals make statements which idiots can interpret to mean "I wish this group didn't exist", then there will be more attacks on that group. Without intending to (I'm giving the hypothetical you the benefit of the doubt) you are giving idiots reason/tacit support.

victor809 wrote:

You created one giant gay strawman.

You're still overreaching but if it makes you feel any better, we'll give you the award for the "Biggest Gay Aware" on the board!

HockeyDad
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:33:09 PM

So people who don't approve of ghey marriage should keep their opinions in the closet in the name of fairness?

ZRX1200 wrote:

Oh here we go......

DrMaddVibe
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:33:43 PM

Ya know TG, you assume I am looking for some sort of hate crime type prosecution. That's really not the axe I'm trying to grind at this time. If you read my initial post, the reason I posted this is because I see a lot of people saying sh%t which, while not itself aggressive gives other people (idiots) the idea that their behavior would be acceptable. You do realize that when you make a statement that implies you are barely tolerating the existence of any group of people "as long as they do it in the privacy of their own home", "I'm not gonna tell them what to do, but I don't want to know it exists" (gays, blacks, cowboys fans) some people with very poor reading comprehension (DMV) interpret those statements to be "Boy I wish this group of people didn't exist".

Get enough of those people to hear/read that (and trust me, we have a lot of people with poor reading comprehension), and one is going to act on it.

Fights happen for a lot of reasons. But when large groups of individuals make statements which idiots can interpret to mean "I wish this group didn't exist", then there will be more attacks on that group. Without intending to (I'm giving the hypothetical you the benefit of the doubt) you are giving idiots reason/tacit support.

victor809 wrote:

Vic, like I said...sorry for your friends beatdown. Had no idea, nor would I that they were even gay unless YOU brought it up. YOU'RE the one that thinks it's a big deal to be gay, not me.

You're OP had it right...this isn't the appropriate place to type a memorial to your gay friends after they had a hate crime perpertrated upon them. Especially in that crime free zone! No, I'll let you play Lone Ranger for the gay community and their victims. Somehow you derive pleasure from it and love the attention by bringing it up here on a Cigar forum. Not that we cannot talk about anything, but it's kinda like ordering fish at a steakhouse...you're cutting against the grain and expecting awesome results.

Say whatever you want dimwit, but there's no hatin' in my game. Nice try but that dog don't hunt. Find some other rugby player and get your freak on. Better yet, set up a neighborhood watch in Georgetown. Bring your purse.

teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:34:35 PM

I used to hit the bag at the local Y in Bethesda back in the 80's. (yawn)

bloody spaniard wrote:

you are very brave to finally come out.

teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:36:27 PM
just because there is no proof does not translate into that wasn't the reason. very different things.
bloody spaniard
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:40:18 PM
ROTFLMAO! Ya gotta love Victor for being so fervent about gay rights, abortion, global warming, women's issues, endangered species, anti- fast food activism... all of the officially- sanctioned, trendy agenda.

TW, were you a YMCA towel boy at the showers? You look familiar.

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Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:41:03 PM
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teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:44:52 PM

TW, were you a YMCA towel boy at the showers? You look familiar.

bloody spaniard wrote:

no but I can understand why you would ask since when you are at the Y you never look at faces.

teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:46:24 PM
tea for two and two for blood......
bloody spaniard
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:50:44 PM
TW bent over & handed out towels like a tissue dispenser.
teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:52:31 PM

TW bent over & handed out towels like a tissue dispenser.

bloody spaniard wrote:

and you took it like a pez dispenser

HockeyDad
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:53:12 PM
You people need to show some respect for Victor's outrage.
teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:56:39 PM
my guess is Vics friends were attacked because they were gay. Of course Vic can not prove that in here, so we will all jump to the can't prove it didn't happen phase.

there will ve vitriol and outrage all around then we will go back to discussing

smellmop

teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:57:09 PM
smellmop who?
HockeyDad
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:04:57 PM

my guess is Vics friends were attacked because they were gay.

teedubbya wrote:

Prolly caused by the "Vote in North Carolina" thread.

tailgater
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:06:49 PM

Ya know TG, you assume I am looking for some sort of hate crime type prosecution. That's really not the axe I'm trying to grind at this time. If you read my initial post, the reason I posted this is because I see a lot of people saying sh%t which, while not itself aggressive gives other people (idiots) the idea that their behavior would be acceptable. You do realize that when you make a statement that implies you are barely tolerating the existence of any group of people "as long as they do it in the privacy of their own home", "I'm not gonna tell them what to do, but I don't want to know it exists" (gays, blacks, cowboys fans) some people with very poor reading comprehension (DMV) interpret those statements to be "Boy I wish this group of people didn't exist".

Get enough of those people to hear/read that (and trust me, we have a lot of people with poor reading comprehension), and one is going to act on it.

Fights happen for a lot of reasons. But when large groups of individuals make statements which idiots can interpret to mean "I wish this group didn't exist", then there will be more attacks on that group. Without intending to (I'm giving the hypothetical you the benefit of the doubt) you are giving idiots reason/tacit support.

victor809 wrote:

OK.

You're not looking for a hate crime.

You don't like it when people joke or make disparaging remarks about homosexuals?

Or just when people give an honest opinion about "keeping it in the bedroom"?

Tell us exactly what you mean.

Because an honest, albeit lighthearted conversation regarding gay marriage should not provoke a violent reaction unless that person was pre-programmed to begin with.

Sounds more like you simply don't like hearing opinions that differ from yours on this subject.

Note: my opinion probably differs from yours very little. I am, however, against the militant gay activists and those who do things for a reaction (but then they cry foul when they actually get a reaction. go figure).

Example:

In Disney with my kids. On the ride seat in front of us was a gay couple. Very flamboyant and eyes roving for disapproval. When all else fails, they engage in violent tonsil hockey, to which I finally say "get a room".

They assume I hate gays. I tell them if I had I would have spoken up before the saliva sharing. Of course, it was a bit more heated, but when the ride was over they came over an apologized.

Of course, I didn't shake their hands. What with the hiv gay-disease and all. but I did get two phone numbers and a couple new prospects should my hetero ways fail me in the future.

teedubbya
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:06:53 PM
I'd hate to be in carolina in the moanin
DrMaddVibe
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:14:52 PM

I'd hate to be in carolina in the moanin

teedubbya wrote:

Then you'd really hate it in Georgetown where it's sweeter, they'll be playing rugby 'round your peter...in the mooor - oooor - ning!:-({|=

A-chaa-chaa-chaaaaa...Good Night Miss Maguilicutty...whoever you are!

ZRX1200
Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:22:01 PM
NC is a no scrum zone.
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