98.2 to 1?

You just acknowledged that both cases are possible. Reasonable doubt.......case dismissed.

HockeyDad wrote:

Oh CRACKLE!

I'm skippin' right on over SNAP!

Vic...you disappear and decide to jump in with this?

Really?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Gotta come big.

victor809 wrote:

I'm venting because I'm pissed that my friends have to make the assumption that they were jumped for being gay. I'm pissed because my friends now have to live their lives with a different assumption of their physical security than I have.

victor809 wrote:

so they will think twice before holding hands walking down the sidewalk in the middle of town now... is that really a major life change..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

They don't have to make that assumption nor do you.

Again, you reached your conclusion and then worked your way backward to prove it.

HockeyDad wrote:

You yourself admitted it was more likely. With no additional information, to assume the less likely of two options is just stupid.

victor809 wrote:

We aren't talking about convicting, I'm venting because I'm pissed that my friends have to make the assumption that they were jumped for being gay. I'm pissed because my friends now have to live their lives with a different assumption of their physical security than I have.

Like I said, if these #ssholes had even said something as stupid as "For gondor!" or some bull**** to make it obvious they were just unhinged violent people, the entire thing would become a joke. But no, now we've got some unknown motivation, something we have to make the worst assumptions about because they're the most likely.

victor809 wrote:

To follow the logical conclusion, that means that the attackers want to hurt the people because of the way they look. Either their race, or because they "look gay" or because they're wearing a Cowboy's jersey.

victor809 wrote:

Looking gay and wearing a Cowboys jersey is redundant.

HockeyDad wrote:

..... I really hope you're joking.

victor809 wrote:

8... I'm going to try a slightly different explanation of what bothers me the most about the situation. Let me paint a quick scenario:

8-track is in a gay bar. He decided to go because they have great drink specials, and he's a reasonably open minded guy. It's a huge bar, 3 levels and it's packed with gay people. In fact, it looks to 8 that he's the only straight guy in the bar. There are big leather clad biker gays, your skinny twinks, your otters, your gym rats, every type. They're all just minding their business, drinking chatting and generally having a normal time. After drinking a couple hours with no incidents, 8 finally needs to pee (yes, in this imagining, he doesn't need to pee every 15 minutes like normal). 8 wanders to the bathroom, pisses and comes back. On his way back to the bar, while walking through a back room, he's jumped by 3 gay guys, kicked to the ground and beaten. He's curled up on the ground, trying to protect his head and various soft spots while these three guys repeatedly kick him.

After an unknown period of time, they stop and leave him in the corner, bleeding. He gets helped up and someone calls the police, he gets treated, maybe needs some time in the hospital for some broken ribs.

8 track's assumption is going to be that he was just beaten because he was a straight guy. Odds are, he's not going to go back to that bar to drink any time soon, and if he does, he'll probably be paranoid, looking over his shoulder all the time.

The reality (in this scenario) is that those 3 guys had agreed to beat the sh^t out of the next guy to walk past them. They had no idea 8track was straight (I mean, really... who does?). But despite all this, every time 8track goes to a gay bar, he's afraid he's going to get beaten up for being the minority straight guy.

I'm pissed off, because even in the small chance that my friends were not jumped because they were gay, they still have to assume it was. And it isn't just a single bar they will be paranoid in, this was freaking yuppie-#ss georgetown they got jumped in. How can they assume they won't get jumped in any other neighborhood of DC. This will possibly change the way they live their lives for a while.

victor809 wrote:

yes and no.... your friends may not be telling you everything... they took a beating beacause they were gay-homos by either they exposing the big chip on their shoulder or gave I dare you to say something look....

otherwise it was just a random beating and your friends just happen to be gay....

DrafterX wrote:

I got your back 8.

teedubbya wrote:

Maybe they didn't like their shirts...their hair...maybe they just didn't like them!

You have absolutley NO proof it was because they're gay!

NONE!

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Sorry your friends took a beating. Taking a beating isn't a joke is it? Doesn't matter what's said or done does it?

So, it's just because they're YOUR friends you decided to create ANOTHER username and share your story. In the words of Denis Leary..."Life is tough. Get a helmet".

DrMaddVibe wrote:

There's no "WE" in this. YOU'RE the one bringing the entire debacle to the table.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

With all that said...I shudder to think what kind of "rugby" team they play for! Rugby used to be a pretty violent game where a whole lot of pushing, shoving, elbowing and in the scrum a whole lot of fists being thrown and these 2 guys took a beating from some average sized guys? What league were they in? The Powderpuff Undies?

Sounds like you're just making crap up.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

As I said in the beginning, bull**** phrases which boil down to "boy, I wish these gays didn't exist, but I'm not going to stop them" (of which there are plenty in this forum) give idiotic @ssholes the idea they can beat down gay people. That's on you.

victor809 wrote: