HockeyDad
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:34:12 AM

Which of the following is 100% true:

A. We are discussing gay rugby beatings because thugs beat up gay rugby players.

B. Gay rugby players got beat up because we are discussing it.

tailgater wrote:

Another gay rugby player just got beat up because of that post. Tailgater, stop the carnage!

tailgater
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:36:28 AM

Another gay rugby player just got beat up because of that post. Tailgater, stop the carnage!

HockeyDad wrote:

I can't help myself.

Ever since Mitt and his buddies shaved my head I've had a deep disdain for anything associated with Ivy Leagues.

victor809
Friday, May 11, 2012 9:47:00 AM

So musicians who write songs about killing cops are responsible for those crimes when committed by their listening audience?

I guess we should then infer that the pro-choice crowd are therefore responsible each time a young mother aborts her unborn child.

tailgater wrote:

I don't see a problem with either of these statements. Do you? You've got some idea in your head that if an individual accepts a small amount of responsibility for a bad thing happening, that the idiot who actually did the bad thing is somehow off the hook.

I'll personally accept that I have a small percentage of responsibility for every abortion out there. I don't have a problem with that.

In your example, the mother is guilty of putting her child in harms way. She is an irresponsible parent and should have her child taken away regardless of whether a pedophile took advantage of the situation or not.

Two different crimes.

tailgater wrote:

We're not talking crimes, we're talking responsibility, two VERY different concepts. Who is responsible for the kid getting raped? I'd say both people, but I certainly wouldn't say that the responsibility the mother bears lessens the responsibility of the pedophile, would you?

I do find it odd that you're trying so hard to argue against personal responsibility.

People need to take ownership of their actions.

Jokes, honest opinions, and discussions with negative overtones are not the problem.

tailgater wrote:

I'm arguing FOR personal responsibility. I've said it over and over and over again. An individual being responsible for the words coming out of their pie hole does not lessen the responsibility of an idiot doing something stupid. I'm just advocating that people man-up a bit and accept that they have a responsibility for impacting what idiots think is acceptable or not.

Which of the following is 100% true:

A. We are discussing gay rugby beatings because thugs beat up gay rugby players.

B. Gay rugby players got beat up because we are discussing it.

tailgater wrote:

Well, if you're asking for 100% accuracy, neither. I stated in post 1 that my friend managed to fight them off (something no one bothered to read). But ignoring that inaccuracy, I see what you're trying to do here. You're stuck in some sort of "all or nothing" clause. Why can't you accept that large numbers of small actions can impact the world we live in?

tailgater
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:10:23 AM
From the first post:

"What's the point of this post? There are a lot of idiots out there in this world, probably more than any of you could imagine. And every time I see or hear someone make one of those bullsh$t statements like "I don't agree with X, but if they do it behind closed doors" I think to myself that there is some idiot out there who (correctly) interprets that statement to be "I'm not going to personally do something about it, but I wish those people didn't exist" and decides to take it upon themselves to try to fix that for you."

You stated in your first post that the "point" of your story was to place blame on those of us who choose to discuss such issue lightheartedly.

You go further by stating that we really mean something much worse than we say.

That we "want" someone to take the action.

DrafterX
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:11:25 AM

These days, I assume *everything* is payback. Ya know, for Trayvon.

ScottHar wrote:

are black guys allowed to play rugby..?? 😕

victor809
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:18:35 AM

From the first post:

"What's the point of this post? There are a lot of idiots out there in this world, probably more than any of you could imagine. And every time I see or hear someone make one of those bullsh$t statements like "I don't agree with X, but if they do it behind closed doors" I think to myself that there is some idiot out there who (correctly) interprets that statement to be "I'm not going to personally do something about it, but I wish those people didn't exist" and decides to take it upon themselves to try to fix that for you."

You stated in your first post that the "point" of your story was to place blame on those of us who choose to discuss such issue lightheartedly.

You go further by stating that we really mean something much worse than we say.

That we "want" someone to take the action.

tailgater wrote:

Yeah.... so? Own it. Again, stop thinking responsibility is finite. Just because I think individuals who passive-aggressively make comments suggesting they wish they never had to see a gay man in their lives have some responsibility for attacks against gay men DOESN'T mean I lessen the responsibility the attackers have. And for the record, my statement was in no way directed towards any "lighthearted" comments.

jackconrad
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:35:32 AM
IN REALITY NO ONE SHOULD EVER Name call unless it is in fun and the Party is not going to be offeneded or is a douce' like Pelosi.

I can feel their Pain and it makes me wanna cry...

DrMaddVibe
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:35:39 AM

And for the record, my statement was in no way directed towards any "lighthearted" comments.

victor809 wrote:

Cue the Kenny G music!

tailgater
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:47:17 AM

Yeah.... so? Own it. Again, stop thinking responsibility is finite. Just because I think individuals who passive-aggressively make comments suggesting they wish they never had to see a gay man in their lives have some responsibility for attacks against gay men DOESN'T mean I lessen the responsibility the attackers have. And for the record, my statement was in no way directed towards any "lighthearted" comments.

victor809 wrote:

Well, for the record, all of my comments were light-loafered.

I mean, lighthearted...

victor809
Friday, May 11, 2012 10:50:30 AM

Well, for the record, all of my comments were light-loafered.

I mean, lighthearted...

tailgater wrote:

see... now that's funny. 🙂

DrMaddVibe
Friday, May 11, 2012 11:06:50 AM
Next up on the Pandora Rugby music channel...Barbara Streisand
DrafterX
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:30:48 PM
Hey Victor... how many black guys are on your rugby team..?? 😕
victor809
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:32:27 PM

Hey Victor... how many black guys are on your rugby team..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

Dunno.... between 7-10? Why do you ask?

teedubbya
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:33:59 PM
Are they smart enough to get on the bus when you travel?
DrafterX
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:34:02 PM
just curious... I had asked earlier but you missed it I guess..... 😟
DrafterX
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:34:39 PM

Are they smart enough to get on the bus when you travel?

teedubbya wrote:

😂

HockeyDad
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:37:14 PM
Outrageous.
DrafterX
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:37:16 PM
If a black, gay rugby player got beat up which hate crime would it be..?? 😕
HockeyDad
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:38:49 PM

If a black, gay rugby player got beat up which hate crime would it be..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

I don't know but you would be partially responsible just for asking that question.

DrafterX
Friday, May 11, 2012 2:40:45 PM
damn..... 😞