matchew
14 years ago
I think Drafter was the first one to get it. go figure, Trayvon M. day at Malcom X Elem. School.....


Send me a PM with your info, Drafter and I will get yo special award out first thing Tuesday morn.
matchew
14 years ago

Hootie & the Blowfish Advanced Learning LLC?
:-k
MalcolmX Fried Dried & Parted on the Side School of Tanning?

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Bloody, this is too dang funny, my friend!


I heard this about 9:30 this morning on WMAL. I just knew you were gonna be the first responder.........
dubleuhb
14 years ago

Trayvon M. day at Malcom X Elem. School.....


matchew wrote:


So are they trying to inspire the childrens to be just like Trayvon ? 🤔
DrafterX
14 years ago

I think Drafter was the first one to get it. go figure, Trayvon M. day at Malcom X Elem. School.....


Send me a PM with your info, Drafter and I will get yo special award out first thing Tuesday morn.

matchew wrote:





thanks but I cheated.... 😞
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14 years ago
Zimmerman credibility could be issue in legal case

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — The credibility of Trayvon Martin's shooter could be an issue at trial after a judge said that George Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court about their finances to obtain a bond, legal experts say.

That's because the case hinges on jurors believing his account of what happened the night the 19-year-old was killed.

The questioning of Zimmerman's truthfulness by the judge on Friday could undermine the defendant's credibility if it is brought up at trial. It also may complicate how his defense presents him as a witness, said Orlando-area attorney Randy McCLean, who is a former prosecutor.

"The other key witness, unfortunately is deceased," McClean said. "Basically, Zimmerman is going to be asking the jury to believe his version of the facts ... As the case stands now, his credibility is absolutely critical to the case."

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder for the February shooting. The neighborhood watch volunteer says he shot Martin in self-defense because the unarmed 17-year-old was beating him up after confronting Zimmerman about following him in a gated community outside Orlando.

Witness accounts of the rainy night Martin was shot are spotty. There is no video of the fight, though photos prosecutors have released showed Zimmerman with wounds to his face and the back of his head.

Zimmerman's credibility with the judge would be important if O'Mara tries to get a judge without the jury to dismiss the charges based on the law, said Orlando defense attorney David Hill.

"If he was in on something that was not truthfully revealed to the judge, when there is a 'stand your ground' hearing, of course you're going to second-guess him," Hill said.

Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.

Zimmerman was arrested 44 days after the killing, and during a bond hearing in April, his wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds available. The hearing also was notable because Zimmerman took the stand and apologized to Martin's parents.

Prosecutors pointed out in their motion that Zimmerman had $135,000 available then. It had been raised from donations through a website he set up and they suggested more has been collected since and deposited in a bank account.

Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical — and has since been in hiding.

Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed and ordered Zimmerman returned to jail by Sunday afternoon.

"Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead the court down the primrose path? That's the issue," Lester said. "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods."

The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit." His attorney, Mark O'Mara, said it wouldn't be a problem to bring Zimmerman back into custody by the deadline.

The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman is back in custody so he could explain himself.

Police in Sanford did not immediately arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "stand your ground" law that gives wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat in a fight if people believe they are in danger of being killed or seriously injured.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said his clients have always said Zimmerman should remain in jail until trial, which O'Mara said he believed wouldn't be until next year.

Crump was asked if he thought that if Zimmerman would be willing to lie about his finances that he would be willing to lie about what happen the night Martin was killed.

"We fully expect that the special prosecutor will make George Zimmerman's credibility be front and center in this entire case," Crump said. "And whatever dishonesty that comes forth by George Zimmerman that they can prove, you can best believe it will become the issue of this case."

The revocation of Zimmerman's bond also puts pressure on O'Mara to not delay the trial, McClean said.

"When your client is out on bond, the pressure is much lighter to rush to trial ... because your client is sitting at home," he said. "When your client is sitting at the Seminole County Jail, your client is going to want this resolved."


This is going to get very interesting very fast- as soon as the bond hearing transcripts are published and we can read the testimony and compare it to the transcripts or tapes of the jail-house phone conversations. The wife may be toast. Z will be in jail- at least until there is an evidentiary hearing and possibly through the Motion to Dismiss and trial. Perhaps it may be time to try to cut a deal. If he mislead the court or lied and it is admissible at trial, he will get
HockeyDad
14 years ago
Drop the charges and hope he doesn't file a wrongful prosecution lawsuit.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
Apparently he didn't just lie about the money, something he talked to his wife about over police monitored phones in 'code' while in jail, but also about a passport he had in his possession that he did not turn in.

rfenst
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14 years ago

Drop the charges and hope he doesn't file a wrongful prosecution lawsuit.

HockeyDad wrote:



IIRC, there is prosecutorial immunity against such cause of action. Otherwise, everyone who was found not guilty would sue the prosecutor. Now, "malicious prosecution" could be an entirely different animal...
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14 years ago

Apparently he didn't just lie about the money, something he talked to his wife about over police monitored phones in 'code' while in jail, but also about a passport he had in his possession that he did not turn in.

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One or more local report(s0 state the attorney had the second passport in his file, but failed to turn it in.

We will need to see or hear the jailhouse and courtroom testimony transcripts before we can decide if he lie outright or by omission- or did absolutely nothing wrong. Watch for his wife to be probably arrested next as i am sure the Judge read and/or listened to most, if not all over the last few weeks before ruling. There has to be a major credibility gap somewhere on this issue...
Papachristou
14 years ago
If him and his wife talked about it in "code" over a jail phone, they are idiots first off and secondly, that will kill their credibility. From another standpoint, i also underdstand that $130k isnt a whole lot of money when you are trying to pay your expenses for a potentially long period of time, cant work in the foreseeable future, have to stay out of state for safety and have a large lawyer bill coming due at some point. However, it still doesnt look good. you just cant hide anything these days and he was foolish to think that he could.
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14 years ago

If him and his wife talked about it in "code" over a jail phone, they are idiots first off and secondly, that will kill their credibility. From another standpoint, i also underdstand that $130k isnt a whole lot of money when you are trying to pay your expenses for a potentially long period of time, cant work in the foreseeable future, have to stay out of state for safety and have a large lawyer bill coming due at some point. However, it still doesnt look good. you just cant hide anything these days and he was foolish to think that he could.

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New bail hearing in late June. He sits in jail until then, unless the judge, state and defense attorney(s) can re-arrange their schedules. Frankly, I think this is good for Z and will increase his chance of getting a second release. The time in jail is a penalty of sorts and since he never ran and turned himself in, he is less likely to run in the future, especially without the money. the passport issue may be moot as his attorney may have had it in his file and failed to turn it in. This is one attorney who would not lie to the court. Or, so one could argue... Now, lets see if there are any contempt charges against him or his wife, conspiracy charges or perjury charges.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
8trackdisco
14 years ago
I heard that now that Zim didn't disclose all of his information, he's back to being White again.
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14 years ago

Free Z!

HockeyDad wrote:




Maybe those here who are sure he is innocent will bomb him with fivers and ten-ers?
Papachristou
14 years ago

I heard that now that Zim didn't disclose all of his information, he's back to being White again.

8trackdisco wrote:



lol, no WHITE hispanic...
Gene363
14 years ago
Meanwhile, the Angela Corey is threatening to sue Allen Dershowitz for expressing his opinion on the Zimmerman case.

"Angela Corey, the state attorney who charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of the unarmed teen, threatened to sue the law school and Dershowitz for libel and slander during a “40-minute rant,” according to Dershowitz."


Apparently he wasn't very intimidated, "Dershowitz wrote. “She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.”"
rfenst
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14 years ago

Meanwhile, the Angela Corey is threatening to sue Allen Dershowitz for expressing his opinion on the Zimmerman case.


Apparently he wasn't very intimidated, "Dershowitz wrote. “She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.”"

Gene363 wrote:




Yeah, I read that one too.
D is brilliant. Every lawyer one should know not to F with him in a publicized matter.
Maybe, she provoked him to the extent he elects to privately get involved in Z's defense?
FuzzNJ
14 years ago
it's neat how dershowitz has been cool with the conservatives since what, 9/11? He started to say mean things about muslims and all of a sudden, he's someone to listen to. Used to be your typical amblulance chasing aclu loving commie elitist academic.
HockeyDad
14 years ago

it's neat how dershowitz has been cool with the conservatives since what, 9/11? He started to say mean things about muslims and all of a sudden, he's someone to listen to. Used to be your typical amblulance chasing aclu loving commie elitist academic.

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He's prolly a globalist.
FuzzNJ
14 years ago

He's prolly a globalist.

HockeyDad wrote:



well, he is jewish. that's a clear sign, right?
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