dpnewell
13 years ago

Okay, let's try this again. Regardless of one's opinions, religious or otherwise, no one has the right to deny others their rights. All this crap about traditional marriage is nothing more than people who dislike gays trying to keep them from getting the rights they deserve. This is no different than when religious people were against integration because they believed that blacks were animals, that a black skin was the curse of Cain and countless other idiotic beliefs. Despite what you make like to believe, gays do not want to take over the world. They want the same benefits that straight couples get. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course these are the ramblings of a gay-homo militant extremist, so I expect they will be ignored.

SammyETN wrote:



You will get no argument from me on this, but again, what does all this have to do with elected officials, illegally denying a restaurant the right to open in their cities, due to the owner's OPINION of what constitutes marriage?
tailgater
13 years ago

Okay, let's try this again. Regardless of one's opinions, religious or otherwise, no one has the right to deny others their rights. All this crap about traditional marriage is nothing more than people who dislike gays trying to keep them from getting the rights they deserve. This is no different than when religious people were against integration because they believed that blacks were animals, that a black skin was the curse of Cain and countless other idiotic beliefs. Despite what you make like to believe, gays do not want to take over the world. They want the same benefits that straight couples get. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course these are the ramblings of a gay-homo militant extremist, so I expect they will be ignored.

SammyETN wrote:



This is where the facts don't support your claim.
I live in massachusetts. We were the first (I think) to flirt with the Civil Union tag so that gay couples would be afforded all the "rights" of married couples: Think healthcare, hospital visitation, etc.

Personally, I was originally 100% in favor of gay marriage. I thought the "normalcy" it provided would tone down the outlandish militant antics often endured at public gatherings (read up on the gay "pride" floats in the Boston St. Patricks Day parade if you want to understand this better).
Then the Civil Union concept seemed like a win-win. It provided the well deserved rights but didn't trample on the fervent traditionalists.
But guess what? The gay community cried foul.
Seems that the rights were only part of their outrage. They demanded to call their unions "marriage".

This fact gives credence to those who claim that the gay community are trying to force full compliance. The gay community demand it to be their way or no way, and those who oppose must clearly be bigots.

The fight is now over a mere word. And both sides are wrong. Yet both sides are right.
The thing is, this was seemingly already solved but the refusal to accept a solution that met very little resistance has soured many and left them trying to guess what their full agenda truly is.

That's how I see it. And it's based on the facts as they transpired in my neck of the woods.
I'm not like Victor. Most of my friends are straight. 😇 But even my friends and one family member who are gay have reached a similar conclusion. None are "married". They still think it's silly to oppose it, but they thought the civil union solution should have remained in place.

I'm just pissed because I happen to like Chick Fil A.



ZRX1200
13 years ago
So you're a good facist Victor?


As long as its your cause a citizens rights don't mean anything to you.

Americans have a right to have an idiotic opinions, we all support you to have yours.


And yes the ACLU is a liberal orginization that tends to not represent religious or 2nd ammendment cases. Hitler madr the trains run on time, that make him a swell guy?
dpnewell
13 years ago

Which is where this gets interesting (And a bit sticky)....

For the most part, these mayors are just giving their own opinion too... (ie, we don't want the businesses of homophobes in our city)... this would be a wash then, business owner can open their business, mayor can say we don't want it here. It's when the mayor tries to do something to actually stop the business that the ACLU then gets involved (damn those evil christian protectors! and the next damn time I hear someone bitch about the ACLU never trying to protect christian opinions...). Like I said earlier, I'd be hard pressed to say what's actually "right" here, let alone "legal". But I'd feel the same way about the issue if the aryan brotherhood tried opening a burger joint. Sooo... big win ChickFilA, on the same level as the skinheads.

victor809 wrote:



OK, Victor, I guess we're pretty much on the same page. If a mayor wants to voice his opinion, he has every right to do so, but when they say they will deny permits, because the owner doesn't share their opinion, then we have a serious Constitutional Rights problem.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

Okay, let's try this again. Regardless of one's opinions, religious or otherwise, no one has the right to deny others their rights. All this crap about traditional marriage is nothing more than people who dislike gays trying to keep them from getting the rights they deserve. This is no different than when religious people were against integration because they believed that blacks were animals, that a black skin was the curse of Cain and countless other idiotic beliefs. Despite what you make like to believe, gays do not want to take over the world. They want the same benefits that straight couples get. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course these are the ramblings of a gay-homo militant extremist, so I expect they will be ignored.

SammyETN wrote:





Gays already have the exact same right to marry someone of the opposite sex.
victor809
13 years ago

So you're a good facist Victor?


As long as its your cause a citizens rights don't mean anything to you.

Americans have a right to have an idiotic opinions, we all support you to have yours.


And yes the ACLU is a liberal orginization that tends to not represent religious or 2nd ammendment cases. Hitler madr the trains run on time, that make him a swell guy?

ZRX1200 wrote:



Where'd you get this from all my rants? I've said over and over again that I can't see a good, clear cut "right/wrong" to this, and that makes me a fascist?
victor809
13 years ago

Gays already have the exact same right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

HockeyDad wrote:



... how magnanimous.
HockeyDad
13 years ago
You're welcome and you're apology is accepted.
SammyETN
13 years ago
Perhaps a little back ground on Chik-Fil-A and its owner who has, according to people here, done nothing but state his opinion, would prove interesting. In 2010, Chik-Fil-A gave over $2 million dollars to anti-gay groups such as the Family Research Council (FRC). The FRC is listed as an anti-gay hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non profit civil rights organization that keeps track of hate groups in the United States. Quoting from the SPLC site, "The Family Research Council (FRC) bills itself as “the leading voice for the family in our nation’s halls of power,” but its real specialty is defaming gays and lesbians." Another group suppported by Chik-Fil-A was Exodus International, a group which advocates reparative or conversion therapy which operates on the basis that through therapy you can become "ex-gay". According to the American Psychological Association, such therapy "for gays is useless and harmful." Additionally the man who was just stating an opinion on marriage admitted in an interview with Forbes magazine that things he considered sinful were reason enough for terminating an employee. Despite the company's claims they treat all employees the same, they do not offer gay employees the same benefits they offer straight ones.

As so often happens here, since most of you won't like the facts, they will be irrelavent to the topic at hand and so I apologize for wasting your time.
HockeyDad
13 years ago
So are you boycotting Chick-Fil-A?
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Perhaps a little back ground on Chik-Fil-A and its owner who has, according to people here, done nothing but state his opinion, would prove interesting. In 2010, Chik-Fil-A gave over $2 million dollars to anti-gay groups such as the Family Research Council (FRC). The FRC is listed as an anti-gay hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non profit civil rights organization that keeps track of hate groups in the United States. Quoting from the SPLC site, "The Family Research Council (FRC) bills itself as “the leading voice for the family in our nation’s halls of power,” but its real specialty is defaming gays and lesbians." Another group suppported by Chik-Fil-A was Exodus International, a group which advocates reparative or conversion therapy which operates on the basis that through therapy you can become "ex-gay". According to the American Psychological Association, such therapy "for gays is useless and harmful." Additionally the man who was just stating an opinion on marriage admitted in an interview with Forbes magazine that things he considered sinful were reason enough for terminating an employee. Despite the company's claims they treat all employees the same, they do not offer gay employees the same benefits they offer straight ones.

As so often happens here, since most of you won't like the facts, they will be irrelavent to the topic at hand and so I apologize for wasting your time.

SammyETN wrote:




When can they start running Congress?:-k
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

So are you boycotting Chick-Fil-A?

HockeyDad wrote:




I'm going to eat there today!
HockeyDad
13 years ago
Their little chicken bites for breakfast are outstanding!
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Their little chicken bites for breakfast are outstanding!

HockeyDad wrote:



Maybe I'll eat there twice in one day and stand in solidarity!
HockeyDad
13 years ago
That kind of move would crush the gay-homo militant activists and force them to go back to trying to back door their way into the Boy Scouts.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
Katy bar the door!:-({|=
SammyETN
13 years ago
Thanks for proving me right, guys. Appreciate it.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago
Ya feel better now?

All that moping and pouting was making me wonder where you actually got ordained!


Have a nice day.


Go bowling.
SammyETN
13 years ago

Ya feel better now?

All that moping and pouting was making me wonder where you actually got ordained!


Have a nice day.


Go bowling.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Moping and pouting? LMAO. Not hardly. Trying to enlighten the uneducated masses. Only mistake was forgetting a very old saying. Bigotry is not reasoned into a person and so can not be reasoned out.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Moping and pouting? LMAO. Not hardly. Trying to enlighten the uneducated masses. Only mistake was forgetting a very old saying. Bigotry is not reasoned into a person and so can not be reasoned out.

SammyETN wrote:




Ok...you made me laugh with that one.

Good luck.

Even the Dalai Lama has an off day.


Where do you sign up for the "Enlighten The Masses" course?

Did you have to take "Masses Are Asses 101"?
Users browsing this topic