HockeyDad
13 years ago

but the gay-homo militant extremist will still vote for him..... 🤔

DrafterX wrote:




This is absolutely guaranteed. The only worry is they could get all apathetic and not get into their Subarus and Priuses and head down to the polling place. (Although calling it a polling place might serve as mitigatory!)
tailgater
13 years ago

http://www.owldolatrous.com/?p=288

An interesting read for those able to make it past two sentences.

victor809 wrote:



You and I have different meaning to the word "interesting".
That web page is fraught with false arguments and much of it is almost unreadable.

I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment. Simply that this is a poor example of a reasonable discussion, and it could only be described as "interesting" if you're striving to reach a predetermined conclusion while attempting to appear open-minded on the subject.

In other words: Blah.

IMHO
HockeyDad
13 years ago

You and I have different meaning to the word "interesting".
That web page is fraught with false arguments and much of it is almost unreadable.

I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment. Simply that this is a poor example of a reasonable discussion, and it could only be described as "interesting" if you're striving to reach a predetermined conclusion while attempting to appear open-minded on the subject.

In other words: Blah.

IMHO

tailgater wrote:




Yes but they still got your IP address logged!
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

An interesting read for those able to make it past two sentences.

victor809 wrote:




If it's coming from you it's ALL B$!


Thanks for playing!
DrafterX
13 years ago

Yes but they still got your IP address logged!

HockeyDad wrote:




#-o
victor809
13 years ago

You and I have different meaning to the word "interesting".
That web page is fraught with false arguments and much of it is almost unreadable.

I'm not saying I disagree with the sentiment. Simply that this is a poor example of a reasonable discussion, and it could only be described as "interesting" if you're striving to reach a predetermined conclusion while attempting to appear open-minded on the subject.

In other words: Blah.

IMHO

tailgater wrote:



I dunno, they explain the issue that he has with CFA (beyond the marriage statement), they validate that it is in no way a legal/first amendment argument (ie, you can't stop someone from saying their opinion) and they point out the one-sidedness of the "why can't you just let us keep hating gays and leave us alone" issue.

What was your problem with the article itself?
victor809
13 years ago
BTW TG, you're probably the only one I would actually believe read it.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

BTW TG, you're probably the only one I would actually believe read it.

victor809 wrote:




Closeminded.
tailgater
13 years ago

I dunno, they explain the issue that he has with CFA (beyond the marriage statement), they validate that it is in no way a legal/first amendment argument (ie, you can't stop someone from saying their opinion) and they point out the one-sidedness of the "why can't you just let us keep hating gays and leave us alone" issue.

What was your problem with the article itself?

victor809 wrote:



Not in any particular order:

Unreadable:
"Please read carefully. These things have been said before, but not by me, and not all in one place. Please read with an open mind. If you can’t read with an open mind, please leave, take a minute, come back, and try again. If you can’t do that, then please don’t bother. Please read all of the words here, rather than just reading half of the argument and assuming you know what I’m saying. Read these words as they are written. Again, if you don’t want to read my words, then don’t continue."

Really?
He's belittling his audience here. Basically saying "if you disagree than you didn't read it right"
And it's almost painful to read that paragraph. Like a kid who's lying about doing something, who is babbling.
I'd rather read something by FuzzNJ than this type of communication.

I'll hit some other points in a different post so this one doesn't get all jpotts in length.
teedubbya
13 years ago
maybe they deserve belittling
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Really?

He's belittling his audience here. Basically saying "if you disagree than you didn't read it right"
And it's almost painful to read that paragraph. Like a kid who's lying about doing something, who is babbling.
I'd rather read something by FuzzNJ than this type of communication.

tailgater wrote:






There ya have it...confirmed![whip]
HockeyDad
13 years ago
Chick-fil-A says it set a sales record on Wednesday, the day that supporters rallied around the fast-food chain amid a debate over its president's opposition to same-sex marriage.

The chain said it won't release sales numbers, but "we can confirm reports that it was a record-setting day," said Steve Robinson, Chick-fil-A's executive vice president of marketing.
teedubbya
13 years ago
of course it is. the publicity alone is priceless.

when I bring my bbq rub to market imma gonna use a I hate the gay campaign too!
tailgater
13 years ago
"- In 29 states in America today, my partner of 18 years, Cody, or I could be fired for being gay. Period. No questions asked. One of those states is Louisiana, our home state. We live in self-imposed exile from beloved homeland, family, and friends, in part, because of this legal restriction on our ability to live our lives together."

I don't believe this. Unless the authors particular job allows for this (and he doesn't supply this information) then this is simply not true. This would be a clear case of discrimination, and there are federal laws that would most surely prevent this.

the Family Research council leadership has officially stated that same-gender-loving behavior should be criminalized in this country. They draw their pay, in part, from the donations of companies like Chick-Fil-A. Both groups have also done “missionary” work abroad that served to strengthen and promote criminalization of same-sex relations.

The FRC is very clear about their beliefs of Marriage being one man/one woman. And they advocate that gay people can often be cured. But their mission is NOT to criminalize homosexuality. Also, this organization fights many fights, and sexuality/marriage is only one issue of many. The authors words above would lead one to believe that FRC only exists to rid the world of gays.

This isn’t about mutual tolerance because there’s nothing mutual about it. If we agree to disagree on this issue, you walk away a full member of this society and I don’t. There is no “live and let live” on this issue because Dan Cathy is spending millions to very specifically NOT let me live. I’m not trying to do that to him.

Actually, the Chik Fil-A issue truly is about "live and let live". The Boston and Chicago mayors didn't lash out at CFA because of their affiliation with anti-gay groups. They lashed out based on a specific interview where Cathy publicly supported "traditional marriage as defined in the Bible".
Everything learned about Cathy, CFA and the FRC was after the fact. After they didn't simply "live and let live".

The author then describe this issue as being akin to watching a big bully beat up a little kid.
I ask in the case of CFA versus the city of Boston: who is the bully??

He finishes with some honest opinions and a good outlook on the situation. But he fueled his argument with innuendo and half truths in order to make his point appear more salient.
I'm sure there are better, and even more "interesting" articles out there that would have been more worthy of our attention.

DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

of course it is. the publicity alone is priceless.

when I bring my bbq rub to market imma gonna use a I hate the gay campaign too!

teedubbya wrote:




Good luck with that!

FWIW...the guy didn't say he hated a thing!🐴

tailgater
13 years ago

of course it is. the publicity alone is priceless.

when I bring my bbq rub to market imma gonna use a I hate the gay campaign too!

teedubbya wrote:



Rubbing meat and hating on the gays are going to be a difficult sell...
teedubbya
13 years ago

Good luck with that!

FWIW...the guy didn't say he hated a thing!🐴

DrMaddVibe wrote:




And I didn't say he did. I said I would.

If you are going to be literal learn how to be literal.
DrafterX
13 years ago


when I bring my bbq rub to market imma gonna use a I hate the gay campaign too!

teedubbya wrote:



:-k 🤔
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

And I didn't say he did. I said I would.

If you are going to be literal learn how to be literal.

teedubbya wrote:




For

What

It's

Worth....
victor809
13 years ago

Not in any particular order:

Unreadable:
"Please read carefully. These things have been said before, but not by me, and not all in one place. Please read with an open mind. If you can’t read with an open mind, please leave, take a minute, come back, and try again. If you can’t do that, then please don’t bother. Please read all of the words here, rather than just reading half of the argument and assuming you know what I’m saying. Read these words as they are written. Again, if you don’t want to read my words, then don’t continue."

Really?
He's belittling his audience here. Basically saying "if you disagree than you didn't read it right"
And it's almost painful to read that paragraph. Like a kid who's lying about doing something, who is babbling.
I'd rather read something by FuzzNJ than this type of communication.

I'll hit some other points in a different post so this one doesn't get all jpotts in length.

tailgater wrote:



The writing style here is repetitive, I'll give you that.
But as far as warning against someone reading half an argument and filling the rest in their head? That seems valid. Hell, that happens here all the time. Hell, given that you're likely the only person to have actually read the entire article, that means that Drafter and HD already did it.

And I'm not 100% sure I understand your "if you disagree" statement. Most of the article doesn't particularly ask for agreement. It states some global and local issues surrounding gays, discusses CFA's involvement in anti-gay issues worldwide... The "agree/disagree" thing would be over whether you actually think the argument is specifically about marriage I suppose. Or about the lopsidedness of the gay-rights issue. But a bulk of the page is simply statements about the state of the world. That's not really an "agree/disagree" thing...
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