DrafterX
13 years ago
Young man rhythm's got a hold of me too.....
I got the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu.... :-"
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

Young man rhythm's got a hold of me too.....
I got the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu.... :-"

DrafterX wrote:




Is that some sort of Georgetown rubby codespeak?:-k
DrafterX
13 years ago
man I sure hope not.... 🤦

I should be more careful tho... never know these days.... 😟
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

man I sure hope not.... 🤦

I should be more careful tho... never know these days.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




You might want to go to Chik-Fil-A just to make sure none of the ghey got on you.
DrafterX
13 years ago
prolly a good idea but I think I'm safe... I'm not in Georgetown... 😟
victor809
13 years ago

I perceive you to be wrong. So very, very wrong.

And following a shaman with a lab coat on.

jpotts wrote:



Ah yes... your old fallback "science is a religion!" cry.

I suppose I should amend my statement to include "anyone who believes science is a religion should not be allowed to vote or breed"....

But honestly, I think that's probably captured in the "understanding basic math" thing....
Brewha
13 years ago
^So, like . . . you saying that the Church of Scientology isn’t really science?
Dude, they got Travolta.
And Cruise. Did you see him in MI3? Clearly God is on his side.
tailgater
13 years ago

That's unfortunately too easy a crutch. I agree that science and politics should NEVER get mixed up, because it allows bad scientists to then use politics as a reason for why no one believes them. The problem is, it now becomes a challenge to tease the bad science from the good. Do you have any actual evidence that GOOD scientists have been kept from doing research which would suggest there's no impact from our activities? I've never heard anything actually credible (beyond the equivalent of a child whining that they're getting bad grades because the teacher doesn't like them...)

victor809 wrote:



Why would there be evidence that suggests man has no impact? I never said we had NO impact. And for this discussion I'm not even saying we have only a minimal impact. When Algore and Obama preach about global warming, they are talking about the burning of fossil fuels. Only the burning of fossil fuels, and only their impact as it pertains to global climate change.
How is that science??
That, my friend, is politics.
Cap and Trade is politics. Based on hysteria, not science.

This is the old adage: A cow is brown. A dog is brown. A cow must be a dog.
Or something like that.




Theories are almost ALWAYS formulated with the idea that you're looking for something specific. IE, "It makes sense in my mind that this is how the world works. What experiments can I design to either prove "yes" or "no"?" This is the basics of science. A well designed experiment will provide evidence either way that the prediction is true.

victor809 wrote:



Not true. Theories are most often based on asking "Why?", without looking for a Yes or No.
"WHY is the earth getting warmer?" Not "Do fossil fuels make the earth get warmer?". Because the second theory makes an assumption. It would be like asking "Does rugby make you gay?". If you knew such an experiment existed, you would cry foul because it alludes to an outcome prior to any data collection.


soooo...since we can't tease out what stupid politicians are doing vs what may be actual science we should just not believe in any of the science? I'd rather believe the science until later science proves it wrong. That's the great thing about the scientific method, false information can't hide forever.

victor809 wrote:



Science is certainly loaded with the "fact du juor". But consider what you're so ready to believe here.
Science can't predict tomorrow's weather with an accuracy that is noticeably superior to the old Farmer's Almanac. Yet we're ready to believe that the sky is falling because too many soccer moms drive SUV's. And just by coincidence, the study was funded by the same government that wanted to pass the Cap and Trade (for instance).

Hmmmmmm.


victor809
13 years ago

Why would there be evidence that suggests man has no impact? I never said we had NO impact. And for this discussion I'm not even saying we have only a minimal impact. When Algore and Obama preach about global warming, they are talking about the burning of fossil fuels. Only the burning of fossil fuels, and only their impact as it pertains to global climate change.
How is that science??
That, my friend, is politics.
Cap and Trade is politics. Based on hysteria, not science.

This is the old adage: A cow is brown. A dog is brown. A cow must be a dog.
Or something like that.

tailgater wrote:


Perhaps our problem is terminology. I do not consider Al Gore to be a scientist, or necessarily his theories to be "science". Scientists will produce a study showing some effect of some items under controlled conditions, or will show a collection of statistically relevant (or in the case of bad science, statistically irrelevant) data. What politicians and the press then do is frequently misinterpret it and try to extrapolate to non-controlled situations (both right and left politicians and press do this). This does not mean the science is wrong, it means people are too stupid to look past the press pack to the actual study to see what it really says.


Not true. Theories are most often based on asking "Why?", without looking for a Yes or No.
"WHY is the earth getting warmer?" Not "Do fossil fuels make the earth get warmer?". Because the second theory makes an assumption. It would be like asking "Does rugby make you gay?". If you knew such an experiment existed, you would cry foul because it alludes to an outcome prior to any data collection.


As someone who successfully designed, conducted and published experiments on the binding of Ecoli derived proteins to sugars, I can tell you how experiments are designed. In fact, I would NOT cry foul for your fake experiment above. As long as the proper controls are in place, a well designed experiment will give you a yes or no there. Science tests theories. In order to test a theory, you have to develop one first. ie... I suspect this protein binds to galactose, that's probably how its binding to DNA is regulated. Then you test that theory.


Science is certainly loaded with the "fact du juor". But consider what you're so ready to believe here.
Science can't predict tomorrow's weather with an accuracy that is noticeably superior to the old Farmer's Almanac. Yet we're ready to believe that the sky is falling because too many soccer moms drive SUV's. And just by coincidence, the study was funded by the same government that wanted to pass the Cap and Trade (for instance).

Hmmmmmm.


Science will tell you the byproduct of burning fossil fuels. Science can tell you where that goes (in general), what parts of our environment absorb, use or otherwise allow that byproduct to impact them. Scientists can also trend data from the environment and see whether there is a correlation between that data and our knowledge about the multiple byproducts. That's where facts end. Following that becomes "modeling" which then gets misinterpreted by politicians.... modeling always has error, which a scientist will always point out. The politicians and press don't read that far, and people are too stupid to do so themselves.
Brewha
13 years ago
di•a•tribe noun \ˈdī-ə-ˌtrīb\

Definition of DIATRIBE

1: archaic : a prolonged discourse
2: a bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing
3: ironic or satirical criticism


When it comes to debate - less is more . . . . .
tailgater
13 years ago
In keeping with Brew's timely slap in the face, you have to remember, Vic, that I am not necessarily arguing the science. I'm putting perspective where none exists.
Politicians are not making new laws based on actual science. They are conjuring up new ways to tax your azz based on the hysteria algore presented with half-truths.
YOU may not view algore as the man behind the curtain, but his half-truths have been very inconvenient for our economy.

And dude. Ecoli protein to sugars? Really??

How'd you do that? Pick out candy corn from your morning constitutional?
Never mind, I don't want to know.
Brewha
13 years ago
Personally, I have found religion and science to be a fool’s mix - but then who am I?

While some may debate the effects of pollution and mans intervention in the environment, I do not believe there is any debate in the legitimate scientific community about the growing changes in the climate – it is largely precipitated by our actions. The thinning of the ice packs, the depletion of the ozone, green house gasses . . . sorry guys, it is us. For many and varied reasons – it’s us.

We should be doing all we can.

And when one type business or convention of technology dies – many new tools and peoples are paid to replace it. Good for the young and new businesses. Bad for the old business owners. Thus the conflict . . . .
victor809
13 years ago

In keeping with Brew's timely slap in the face, you have to remember, Vic, that I am not necessarily arguing the science. I'm putting perspective where none exists.
Politicians are not making new laws based on actual science. They are conjuring up new ways to tax your azz based on the hysteria algore presented with half-truths.
YOU may not view algore as the man behind the curtain, but his half-truths have been very inconvenient for our economy.

tailgater wrote:


Your issue with politicians may be valid. but unfortunately that leads lesser minds to a conclusion that scientists and actual real science is the problem. That's where I draw the line and have to make a stand.


And dude. Ecoli protein to sugars? Really??
How'd you do that? Pick out candy corn from your morning constitutional?
Never mind, I don't want to know.


an easier theory than you'd think. Ecoli can metabolize either glucose or galactose depending on the available food source. The two cycles operate independently and a trigger has to be available to tell the cells when to switch from one to the other. I could wax poetic on the binding of proteins to segments of DNA and how their configuration alters in the presence of different sugars, but then Brewha would get upset that we're talking over his head.
DrMaddVibe
13 years ago

^So, like . . . you saying that the Church of Scientology isn’t really science?
Dude, they got Travolta.
And Cruise. Did you see him in MI3? Clearly God is on his side.

Brewha wrote:


[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]
tailgater
13 years ago

Your issue with politicians may be valid. but unfortunately that leads lesser minds to a conclusion that scientists and actual real science is the problem. That's where I draw the line and have to make a stand.

victor809 wrote:



The point of this thread is public perception.
Public perception (those "lesser minds" you snivel over) is not based on pure science because even the most intelligent on main street don't subscribe to the latest journals. Instead, the politicians cherry pick the science that fits their agenda.
Let's say, just as a hypothetical, that the current administration had some very big supporters who wanted to start, say, a solar power company. Obama could use certain factual based hyperbole to push through an agenda to help fund these projects (again, hypothetically) and no one would be the wiser...


an easier theory than you'd think. Ecoli can metabolize either glucose or galactose depending on the available food source. The two cycles operate independently and a trigger has to be available to tell the cells when to switch from one to the other. I could wax poetic on the binding of proteins to segments of DNA and how their configuration alters in the presence of different sugars, but then Brewha would get upset that we're talking over his head.

victor809 wrote:



Chicks would dig it more if you named your study: Battlestar Galactose.
As it stands, you'll be "waxing poetic" until you find another opening line.

victor809
13 years ago

The point of this thread is public perception.
Public perception (those "lesser minds" you snivel over) is not based on pure science because even the most intelligent on main street don't subscribe to the latest journals. Instead, the politicians cherry pick the science that fits their agenda.
Let's say, just as a hypothetical, that the current administration had some very big supporters who wanted to start, say, a solar power company. Obama could use certain factual based hyperbole to push through an agenda to help fund these projects (again, hypothetically) and no one would be the wiser...

tailgater wrote:


oooh... getting contemporary! 🙂 Ostensibly you're right. The point of the article was about perceptions of climate change and what impacts that. you're the one (I think, but my memory isn't what it used to be) that started dragging it over to the actual science behind it. Either way, if we were to bring it back to perception, the point would be that he doesn't even need to cherry pick the studies he wants to present, all he has to do is present the agenda on a hot day and turn off the A/C. From the same angle, all the republicans would have to do to get rid of it is choose a cold day in winter and turn off the heat.

As for whether he's actually cherry picking studies, well I would think that if that were all he was doing, then conservatives would be able to cherry pick equivalent studies saying the opposite. My limited experience has been that when I've tried digging into any of the other studies "cherry picked" to disagree, they are frequently of a lower quality (either poor sampling numbers or changes within the margin of error). But I haven't looked at all of them.


Chicks would dig it more if you named your study: Battlestar Galactose.
As it stands, you'll be "waxing poetic" until you find another opening line.


Well, that was 15 years ago in another life. I don't do science any longer, and the study is done and published. Besides, with my height, full head of hair, stunning good looks and irascible charm I've got to handicap myself somehow. It's only fair to the women.
tailgater
13 years ago



Well, that was 15 years ago in another life. I don't do science any longer, and the study is done and published. Besides, with my height, full head of hair, stunning good looks and irascible charm I've got to handicap myself somehow. It's only fair to the women.

victor809 wrote:



Plus, you always have the rugby thing as a back-up plan (unusually appropriate term, no?).

🇨🇮
victor809
13 years ago

Plus, you always have the rugby thing as a back-up plan (unusually appropriate term, no?).

🇨🇮

tailgater wrote:


[frypan]
Brewha
13 years ago

. . . .Besides, with my height, full head of hair, stunning good looks and irascible charm I've got to handicap myself somehow. It's only fair to the women.

victor809 wrote:



Does Jade know about this?
Brewha
13 years ago

[frypan] [frypan] [frypan]

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Dookie head!

😝
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