MACS
Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:14:48 PM

No one has suggested a BFH yet....

daveincincy wrote:

Hit it real hard with a big freakin hammer.

(there ya go)

wheelrite
Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:44:30 PM
Porn Sites can ruin a puter,,,
sr20vet
Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:13:57 PM
Especially when viewed with an old version of IE. 9 and 10 are safer, but I still suggest to everybody that they switch to Chrome, or Firefox.
daveincincy
Friday, February 22, 2013 10:24:56 AM

Especially when viewed with an old version of IE. 9 and 10 are safer, but I still suggest to everybody that they switch to Chrome, or Firefox.

sr20vet wrote:

I was going to switch to Chrome, but (if I recall) it asked for my email address. It didn't seem like there was a way around it...or I just didn't try very hard (didn't seem worth it). It's like Google wants your email address so they can "personalize" your searches...i.e. send you crap that they feel you would be interested in.

I also thought about Firefox. Is it pretty simple to switch back/forth between IE and Firefox if necessary?

I d/l that speedfan program via cnet (much easier and no spam/add-ons). Now I'm not really sure what I'm looking at...I guess I don't have the expertise to decipher what it's saying. There's a "readings" tab that shows CPU usage and (I guess) temperature (33 - 35C). There's a SMART tab with more analysis. Many have "OK" next to them, others have nothing. The Value/Worst/Warn columns make no sense to me. Sometimes the "value" and "worst" have the same number (as high as 100) with a number in the "warn" column. 😕 Like the author of the software says, if I don't understand any of it, it's probably not something i should mess with.

So far...no shutdowns this a.m.

knokmdwn
Friday, February 22, 2013 10:48:17 AM
Wow, Dave......I really don't know much about computers compared to many of the brothers here. I think I may have actually learned a couple of things just reading this thread!

I'm a plus 1 for the MAC though. My office PC is still IBM comp. but bought a real nice Mac for home. Software works a little different and takes some getting use to but we don't have ANY of the problems that the IBM types do. We don't have to run any virus/spam/bot anti this and that software because the Mac software is just a lot more secure. Have had if for just over a year now with zero issues.

My .02 cents on this would be blow out all the dust and rats (if you find Dirty Rats, send them to me for disposal). Run the computer with the case open for maximum air circulation and see if that helps.

walksalone
Friday, February 22, 2013 12:01:07 PM

So I've had, or my PC has had, this issue for a while now. It comes and goes, and sometimes it goes several days or weeks with no issues at all. But when it does act up, it does so frequently, 2 or more times in a row.

I'll be working...mostly...let's just say I'm using my PC, and then things (open windows, cursor arrow, etc) will blink and start flashing, and then things close and the computer shuts down/off all by itself. I'll restart the computer and it will boot back up. Sometimes I'll have no other issues, but sometimes, a few minutes later it will do the same thing....shuts off...I reboot... no warnings, nothing. Then it may be several days or more with no issues. I don't know if it matters or not, but when in "safe mode" I don't recall having this problem.

I've run a bunch of anti-virus, anti-mal/spyware, and other things just to see if anything comes up or can be cleaned out.

Microsoft Security Essentials (anti-virus)...run quick and full scans

Malwarebytes...full and quick scans

Spybot

CCleaner

I've opened up Windows Task Manager > Processes (and applications), but frankly I don't have a clue as to what I'm looking at/for if there is anything at all causing this. The only applications that may be showing at any given time would be Outlook and Internet Explorer. 🤔

Yes, the PC is 🌫 (3-4 years old...5?) It's a basic PC, nothing fancy. FWIW, for a while now, it takes some time to open files, and even when I close a window it's like it's closing in sssllllooowww motion...it's like I'm using an old 386/486 PC. Video/graphics card going out? Motherboard headed for the motherland? 😕

daveincincy wrote:

Try updating your graphics driver..

sr20vet
Friday, February 22, 2013 1:54:18 PM

I was going to switch to Chrome, but (if I recall) it asked for my email address. It didn't seem like there was a way around it...or I just didn't try very hard (didn't seem worth it). It's like Google wants your email address so they can "personalize" your searches...i.e. send you crap that they feel you would be interested in

daveincincy wrote:

You don't need to provide any information to download and install Chrome. When you install it I believe the default screen that comes up on the first run is a login screen. Many Chrome users, myself included, use Google's cloud services to sync our browsers between multiple devices. If you don't want to use that feature just navigate elsewhere. The only thing to get used to with Chrome is that the URL bar and search bar are unified. If a valid URL is detected you will navigate directly there, if not it will perform a Google search on the string entered.

I also thought about Firefox. Is it pretty simple to switch back/forth between IE and Firefox if necessary

Firefox works more conventionally with separate sear and URL bars. Both allow importing of your IE bookmarks to make the switch seamless. You can switch back and forth as you please. Personally I run Chrome as my primary, and IE for sites that demand it (almost none). I also use IE for testing along with Firefox, Safari, and Opera.

I d/l that speedfan program via cnet (much easier and no spam/add-ons). Now I'm not really sure what I'm looking at...I guess I don't have the expertise to decipher what it's saying. There's a "readings" tab that shows CPU usage and (I guess) temperature (33 - 35C). There's a SMART tab with more analysis. Many have "OK" next to them, others have nothing. The Value/Worst/Warn columns make no sense to me. Sometimes the "value" and "worst" have the same number (as high as 100) with a number in the "warn" column. 😕 Like the author of the software says, if I don't understand any of it, it's probably not something i should mess with.

I haven't used speedfan myself, but yes temperature is usually measured in Celsius on computers. What processor are you running? Regardless 35C shouldn't be an issue, that's only 95F. Processors start to have problems around 50C and above depending on how heat tolerant your model is. They do cool quickly though, and they don't get hot unless under high load. If you want to test it try doing something that makes your computer work hard and watch the temps.

I wouldn't worry about SMART that is a hard disk monitoring system. That is just your drives self-evaluation of health.

So far...no shutdowns this a.m.

Good. Let's hope it was just a dust related problem.

daveincincy
Friday, February 22, 2013 1:59:35 PM
It shut down soon after I said that...and while I had almost finshed typing a lengthy reply. 🤦

...no shut downs since [knock-on-wood]

😂

sr20vet
Friday, February 22, 2013 2:35:59 PM
If you're getting any shutdowns at all after cleaning the dust out of the case. Then the issue is not resolved. When it shuts down do you get a quick blue screen, or does it behave more like power was cut? Blue screen would make me want to check your RAM, sudden off I would still think it's heat related.

Perhaps check that all your case fans are working, and not obstructed. If it's removable take the fan off your CPU cooler, and make sure the heatsink isn't packed with dust. If everything else looks good I'd watch those temps while trying to make it crash. If you see them get high then I'd re-do your thermal compound. This is a good how-to the walk you through that.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/howtos/howto_install_cpu_and_apply_thermal_paste 

banderl
Friday, February 22, 2013 2:40:25 PM
Did you check your hard drive?

I've had something similar happen to my old PC and I had some bad sectors.

daveincincy
Friday, February 22, 2013 3:03:27 PM
I haven't cleaned the dust out.

When it shuts down, it's not the blue screen. The screen and any open windows start 'blinking' and then I know chit gone get crazy in about 5 seconds. Then all the windows/programs in the taskbar close one by one, and it goes into it's normal "windows is now shutting down..." screen. And then off it goes. Maybe I should call a priest to exorcise it. 🤔

banderl
Friday, February 22, 2013 3:09:29 PM
Try running chkdsk.
BuckyB93
Friday, February 22, 2013 5:27:34 PM
cacman
Friday, February 22, 2013 5:39:56 PM
Sounds like an over-heating issue - either with the board or the power-supply.

Buy a freakin Mac already!

sr20vet
Friday, February 22, 2013 5:55:01 PM

Sounds like an over-heating issue

Clean the freakin dust out already!

cacman wrote:

Fixed it for ya. Macs still overheat by the way. They're no less susceptible than any other Intel x86 based PC.