I wore parachute pants and was a breakdancer in the early 80's. I'm blacker than Obama, hands down.

I wonder when the "cocolo" medical device was invented... I shall google.

:-"

Ummm...I've worked with the federal apparatus in the past.

Your pension benes a WAY out of line from what you'd get in the public sector.

You salary base is now WAY out of line from what you'd get in the public sector.

Most of the federal workforce would not be able to make it in the private business sector due to the pressures and demands of having to deliver to a customer on time and at budget. Period. You wouldn't know what to do with yourselves if you f*cked up royaly on a project because your a** would be fired in a heartbeat. Yet delays, and bureaucratic hassels are the norm when dealing with the federal government, not the exception.

Most of us in the private sector have to be good at what we do because we can be without a job in a heartbeat. I can get fired because someone doesm't like the color of my hair, and there is nothing that I can do about it except maybe sue for unemployment compensation. So I have to make myself really valuable to my employer, or I don't eat.

Honestly, a good portion of the federal workforce, by contrast, are a bunch of lazy frickin' slobs who don't know how good they have it. And then you come along and act as if there is some sort of virtue in being in the federal "service" when you get paid more than your private sector counterparts, get an unbelivably generous benefits package, and have job security that most people would kill for.

Spare me the lecture. Honestly, you're frickin' clueless. You could can a third of the federal workforce - across the board - and hardly anyone who has to deal with that nightmare would notice.

By the way, been traveling a lot lately. No flight delays. You're essentially full of crap.

Cliff Clavin outrage !!

More like Walter Mitty.

This coming from Gypsy Rose Lee...

"with" the federal apparatus. Not for.

Sorry you are such a slob in the private sector. Sounds like you should get a federal job since everything is so much better than the private sector.

And ummm. We temporarily "fired" 10% of the federal workforce, how did that work out.

I would suggest you stop coloring your hair purple..... Wait are you married to Michele Bachmann?

Typical Potts blowhard rhetoric. I could tell you how good the benefits are in my wifes private sector job, they are better than mine, plus I could smoke weed if I wanted too. But why? It really doesn't matter.


Like I said before F%$k off. You call me a lazy POS. Lets compare bodyfat you frickin slob. You call me clueless I call you a whiny little child, that in the land of opportunity in the PRIVATE SECTOR is still sucking hind tit and can't seem to get ahead. Don't blame your failures on others.

Ohhh, yeah that is SUCH a distinction.

You know, if I brazenly put my feet up on my desk and opened up the newspaper while I was on the clock, my a** would be fired. Outright. And yeah, I saw federal workers doing that day in and day out. No reprocussions.



No. I wouldn't be able to put up with the lack of work ethic and the gross incompentence.

I got buddies who also worked with that lovely federal apparatus. They tell me the same thing.

I have relatives that actually work IN the federal government. Same basic stories.

You're either very lucky or completely frickin' blind to not know or see any of this.



Really? I personally haven't noticed. At all. Your point being?

Oh, in the private sector, there would be no "temporary." If you got laid off, you got laid off. Period. That "temporary" firing crap only applies to union jobs in auto factories. And nowadays, it is more along the lines of permanent.

So, if you think you're making a point here, you're horribly wrong. And I'm not exactly crying because some people in the federal government got an unpaid vacation. I was there at Ford when the Angel of Death made two passes through that place, and saw all sorts of people get the boot. I saw good people - smart people - take their retirement instead of remaining on because they didn't want to lose their retirement benefits (people who've been there for 30 years and were still under the old pension system). There was nothing "temporary" about it.

But unlike the bloated leviathan that is the federal government, Ford needed to trim down to stay alive, and that's exactly what they did.

What, you want me to cry a tear for those poor federal employees who aren't really going to lose their job? Get a life you twit.



Blowhard rhetoric. Nice.

Smoke weed while employed? You're high. Most large employers require a p*ss test before the hire you. A lot of small employers are doing that too. You get caught smoking weed, you're done at most companies.

My health benes are pretty nice too. Best benefits I've ever had. I've worked for a lot of people in the past, not all of them (in fact very few of them) were as good as I have now. That being said, I basically pay for them as a cost of employment. I have no frickin' idea where you get the idea that my employer "pays" for some or all of my health benefits, as they don't - I pay for them. They are what it costs to employ me. And I make a decent chunk of change probably more than 90% of the people that post here. But I guarantee you, I don't make that kind of money sitting around.

Oh yeah, I don't get a pension. Those have basically gone the way of the Dodo bird. You get a 401K, that you pay for out of your salary, and if you're lucky you get a company match. So, in short, not only am I paying for your pension, I'm paying for my retirement too.



Typical entitled child mentality. And yeah, you're clueless.

Did I say that you were personally a lazy slob? No. But hey, if you want to throw in with those same useless slugs that I'm talking about, then be my guest. I dunno, maybe you are a useless slug given they way you're defending those creeps.

The difference between you and I is that I have zero protections on my job. Zip, nada, none. There is no bureaucratic process, no hearings, nothing. I f*ck up, and I'm gone. It's really that simple. I get laid off, no company is going to call me back. Hell, even the unions these days don't get that kind of courtesy nowadays.

And yeah the private sector is sucking the hind t*t. I have no idea who in the hell you think pays your salary, but all of that comes from guys like me, and those evil private sector corporations, and small business owners, and so on. You pay your taxes. Wow! You want a medal for doing that?

If you think that the taxes you pay somehow come close to justifying your salary at whatever bureau you work at, I shudder to think what substandard output you must produce. The government produces nothing. It creates no wealth. It does nothing but consume. And one of the main reasons why the private sector is sucking the hind t*t is because of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy that limits growth, stalls innovation, and basically destroys business.

It's like you are totally unaware that there is a 16 trillion dollar debt hanging out there, of which your salary and retirement are part responsible in making. Excuse me, but specifically who do you think if going to pay that debt? You and your federal butt-buddies? With what?

Oh, and by the way - not sure if you've figured this out yet - but when it all comes collapsing down, the first thing to go will be federal workers, and those federal pensions. And it will come collapsing down. It is inevitable given the utter cluelessness of people like you. Your p*ssing and moaning about Bush's two unpaid wars and all that liberal claptrap does not excuse that there are thousands of federal workers on the payroll, for decades, that should have never been there in the first place. They are the prime source of waste, abuse, and corruption which has been going on now for decades.

We'll see who is whining in a decade or two when austerity has its time in this country.

gringococolo I was taken aback by your "ungrateful f*@k$" comment I don't have any ill will towards you. I do stand behind my words though (no name calling from me).

The gov't as a whole is Too Big to Succeed.

It is choking the public financially, socially and politically.

I don't hate the playa or hate the game. I applaud the FAA for the stunt they pulled.

Sequester - another failed Obama policy.

He sure has made it sound like it wasn't his idea or that he has anything to do with it though.

Let me make this very simple. If you say EVERY federal employee is lazy, screw you. There are plenty of them all right.

I also conceede there is a general entitlement attitude amongst some federal employees not all. They are the fringe. Most are hard working, but unfortunately it is a not a for profit employer. Even if you saved money in whatever branch you worked in, someone will spend that money ITS A FEDERAL BUDGET, IT IS ILLEGAL NOT TO SPEND THE MONEY. Comparing the federal government to a a for profit company is foolish.

The federal government is too big and spending too much money, however the amount spent on federal employees is a miniscule amount compared to the rest of it. They are just an easy target. It also hasn't really grown much in the last 20 years.

I am disgusted by the layers of management in the government, but they are driven by the people of this country. There about 15,000 air traffic controllers. There are about 3,000 people assigned (estimated) to making sure we are "doing our job". That is a problem. But those "people" were hired because of knee jerk reactions, and more layers of uselessness were added. Guess what..... it's not those people's fault the were hired to do a job that I am sure they believe is important.

The benefits are good, the BS is painfull. If you actually worked in the system like Gene and a few others, then I would value your opinion.

I'm not pro union, but yes I belong to one. I pay my dues like an insurance policy, that's it. There are many, many, conservative federal workers. Working hard and doing their best.

If I had to pin numbers to percentages of lazy or entitled. Lets see. 10% - 20% militant entitled, included in the militant column is lazy total percentage between the two around 15% to 25%. The average workers that just come, do their job and go home, 40% to 60%. The ones that come to work and try and go above and beyond, 20% to 25%. Breakdown over simplified: 25% lazy/entitled, 50% average do their job nothing more, 25% doing the best they can in a job that normally doesn't reward efficiency. Based on observation, not scientific.

You can't blame the employee, blame the system.

I could go on for hours. I'm really not in the business of defending federal employees. But it is a personal attack to say all federal employees are lazy, most are not.

It is also insulting to claim that MOST federal employees couldn't make it in the private sector. That is pure rhetoric. They are only working in the effed up system that this government has created.


In closing,

This board has really just gotten to be a bunch of soapbox B.S. I made an actual effort to be nasty, insulting, and rude. Mostly for shock value, but mostly because that's what a lot of this place has become. No debate, no discussion, no explaining, just insults and stupid assumptions based on TV and internet pundits regurgitated comments.

So you're mad at us no matter our response to you purposely taking a tone I don't ever remembered you taking with anyone. I poked back not knowing if it was a joke or you'd gone off the deep end.

I don't like shenanigans at the expense of people at large here. With an individual or a post sure, but this?

Sad.


I'm done here.

Gringo, I have no ill will toward you or your family. I'm sure that you work hard and do your job with pride. With that said, government employees have been insulated from the pain and suffering the rest of us have gone through these past years. I personally have taken a 60% pay cut over the past 4 years (near poverty level), hoping to somehow keep the doors open until this recession turns around. I've lost the battle, and will have to close my doors in a few months. My family has had to do without medical insurance as it's just not affordable. Our life savings are almost gone. Over that same period of time, my property taxes have jumped from $5,800 to over $7,000. The tax payers are suffering, yet our teachers and other public officials continue to get yearly pay increases at our expense.

Don't expect me to shed a tear, now that some government employees are finally getting a tiny taste of the suffering many of us have had to endure. To those of us who have burdened the blunt of this recession, the sob stories we hear from the "sequested" are laughable at best. Personally, they anger me, as the ones crying these tears come across as protected elitists that think they shouldn't have to give up anything, while those paying their salaries can barely get by.

How many people rooted for, cheered, or told you you deserved it?

I never understood the I suffered therefore you should too mentality.

I'm sorry to hear you are shutting your doors dp. That sucks. I hope your when your next chapter is written it includes riding a wave of an economy that is on fire and mucho profit.

I worked in a shop where salespeople got the choice between salaried or commission. The commissioned folks always bitched during the valleys but never were interested in becoming salaried during the peaks.

Life has choices.