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cacman
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#41

The legislature has known or voted for this. The proper representatives have been advised and have known- and been able to keep their mouths shut. the warrants have been alleged to approved by the judiciary.

rfenst wrote:

In basic terms, these are these are the same people that voted for new healthcare laws that they themselves don't have to follow... right?

8trackdisco
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#42

well, it sounds inane to me.

We still don't live in China. Also, how can someone feel mushy about the antics of our government 30 years (or so) ago? It should not be as simple as allowing the party in charge (no matter how much we agree with their policies) to behave as that administration did if said party is jeopardizing the system that protects us from runaway government power. I do not pine for a benevolent dictator. I do not condone my candidate to run roughshod over the opposition. We all need protection from the power, not just when it is the opposition.

And I sure don't miss a band of renegades setting up camp in the WHITE HOUSE basement, bypassing Congress, defying the law of the land and checks and balances, just because they thought they were more right than the entire system. Selling arms to Iran (AND Iraq!) in defiance of Congress to raise money for a coup in S America (OK, the Nicaraguan cigars did improve)? A revered President reduced to testifying "I don't recall" vermin in my basement doing the above? Folks thinking Ollie North was a hero too? Setting a precedent that still exists today? You miss them good ol' days?

Not me. Now we get to relive them with every new administration. Not just left. Not just right.

Out of respect for the many posts I have read from you that made me think (or laugh), I am going to assume you picked 30 years ago arbitrarily. If so, disregard the above.

frankj1 wrote:

I picked 30 because 40 years ago would have put us at Watergate- so that would have been problematic. 30 years ago, it was Morning in Reagan's America. The feeling was there was a shiny house on the hill.

The IRS, CIA & FBI were digging through garbage and following people around. But there was no NSA, collection data sites, and people and computers sifting through our lives.

You are right about it being a both sides of the aisle. The writing is on the wall. Probably has been for decades. But when a Democrat touting transparency is deepening the dive into the mire, and a crying, left wing, liberal nut like Diane Feinstein is promoting more curtailing of people's rights, it is game over, man..... Game over.

dpnewell
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

13 years ago

#43

So, Robert, I guess you'd have no problem, if tomorrow, our government decided to round up a ground of people (Jew, Christian, Tea-Party, etc., you fill in the blank), as long as...

"The legislature has known or voted for this. The proper representatives have been advised .... the warrants have been .... approved by the judiciary."

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#44

The emperor has no clothes.

Is it really being a "traitor" to disclose WHAT the government is doing?
We are not in danger from the leaked information. No other entity has gained anything that could be used against us.

This information was leaked to expose the reality taking place behind closed doors.

Maybe he could be charged legally for breaking confidentiality, but traitor?
Spare me the drama.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#45

dpnewell wrote:

what a silly little drama queen thing to say. pityful. I think Robert was saying we have a system of checks and balances in place to safeguard us. They were all triggered. I disagree with the decision, but it's not nazi germany and if you think it is remotely like that then you denigrate what happened there.

If you truly beleive that then there is no choice but armed revolution...... I disagree with your assessment.

Edited by user 13 years ago | Reason: Not specified

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#46

dpnewell wrote:

We already have the FEMA camps ready to go.

HockeyDad
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#47

If you truly believe that then there is no choice but armed revolution...... I disagree with your assessment.

teedubbya wrote:

That is ridiculous. Americans will voluntarily march into the FEMA camps for their own protection before considering launching an armed revolution.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

13 years ago

#48

tailgater wrote:

I tend to agree depending on what he signed with the government. If someone had leaked enigma would they be a traitor. we are treating things like a perpetual war so if you tip off the enemy what is it?

Personally I am not comfortable with the "war" on terrorism being treated like an open ended war. It's as if we plan on spending the rest of our days at war. We have always had enemies but haven't always had to be in a state of war. I think it is being used as a reason for broad powers and as a marketing/political trick by both parties. It needs to change.