HockeyDad
13 years ago

Most of the big cities in America have neighborhoods that are pretty much FEMA camps already.

DadZilla3 wrote:




Boston already proved that.
DrafterX
13 years ago

well to be fair Freddy Kruger was NOT a terrorist.

teedubbya wrote:




was he Muslim..?? 😕
Taps86
13 years ago

nothing. assuming the original leak was from someone with a security clearance rather than discovered through some other means.

teedubbya wrote:



New York Times & Washington Post ran with a story in 2005. I was furious then and and still am. The only reason this is what it is now, is because the GOP is pulling at every string possible to damage the other party....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 


The law governing clandestine surveillance in the United States, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, prohibits conducting electronic surveillance not authorized by statute. A government agent can try to avoid prosecution if he can show he was "engaged in the course of his official duties and the electronic surveillance was authorized by and conducted pursuant to a search warrant or court order of a court of competent jurisdiction," according to the law.

"This is as shocking a revelation as we have ever seen from the Bush administration," said Martin, who has been sharply critical of the administration's surveillance and detention policies. "It is, I believe, the first time a president has authorized government agencies to violate a specific criminal prohibition and eavesdrop on Americans."

Caroline Fredrickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said she is "dismayed" by the report.

"It's clear that the administration has been very willing to sacrifice civil liberties in its effort to exercise its authority on terrorism, to the extent that it authorizes criminal activity," Fredrickson said.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121600021.html 


President Bush said yesterday that he secretly ordered the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans with suspected ties to terrorists because it was "critical to saving American lives" and "consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution."

Bush said the program has been reviewed regularly by the nation's top legal authorities and targets only those people with "a clear link to these terrorist networks." Noting the failures to detect hijackers already in the country before the strikes on New York and Washington, Bush said the NSA's domestic spying since then has helped thwart other attacks.

In his statement, delivered during a live and unusually long radio address, the president assailed the news media for disclosing the eavesdropping program, and rebuked Senate Democrats for blocking renewal of the USA Patriot Act, which gave the FBI greater surveillance power after Sept. 11, 2001, and which expires Dec. 31.

"The terrorist threat to our country will not expire in two weeks," said Bush, calling a filibuster by Democratic senators opposed to the Patriot Act "irresponsible."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/17/AR2005121700456.html 
teedubbya
13 years ago

New York Times & Washington Post ran with a story in 2005. I was furious then and and still am. The only reason this is what it is now, is because the GOP is pulling at every string possible to damage the other party....

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121600021.html 




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/17/AR2005121700456.html 

Taps86 wrote:





The DEMS went at the GOP too. It's the same song different day.
HockeyDad
13 years ago

The DEMS went at the GOP too. It's the same song different day.

teedubbya wrote:




The difference is "Hope & Change".
teedubbya
13 years ago

The difference is "Hope & Change".

HockeyDad wrote:



that and there is a little black peppah in the recipe that bothers some folks sense of taste
HockeyDad
13 years ago

that and there is a little black peppah in the recipe that bothers some folks sense of taste

teedubbya wrote:




So you're saying people don't like being spied on by a black president but it is fine from a white president? You gonna go with that?

victor809
13 years ago

The emperor has no clothes.

Is it really being a "traitor" to disclose WHAT the government is doing?
We are not in danger from the leaked information. No other entity has gained anything that could be used against us.

This information was leaked to expose the reality taking place behind closed doors.

Maybe he could be charged legally for breaking confidentiality, but traitor?
Spare me the drama.

tailgater wrote:



If the gov't doesn't have anything to hide, then they shouldn't have a problem with this...

am i right? 🙂
teedubbya
13 years ago

So you're saying people don't like being spied on by a black president but it is fine from a white president? You gonna go with that?

HockeyDad wrote:




Yes.
Taps86
13 years ago

The DEMS went at the GOP too. It's the same song different day.

teedubbya wrote:



No disputing that. It's the same ol song and dance. Instead of the far left being up in arms, You got the Far Right.
DrafterX
13 years ago
Hey there all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you're out sittin' on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
Cause rock 'n' roll ain't no riddle man
To me it makes good good sense
Good sense yeah let's go.... :-" :-"

Taps86
13 years ago
And the rivers shall open for the righteous...
And the rivers shall open for the righteous...
And the rivers shall open for the righteous someday...

I was walking with my brother,

And he wondered, oh how I am.
Said what I believe in my soul
Ain't what I see with my eyes,
And there's no turning back this time.

I am a patriot, and I love my country,
Because my country is all I know.
Wanna be with my family,
People who understand me.
I got no place else to go.

I was walking with my girlfriend.
She looked so fine, I said
"Baby, what's on your mind?"
Said I want to run like the lions
Released from their cages...
Released from the rages
Burning in my soul tonight.

I am a patriot, and I love my country,
Because my country is all I know.

And I ain't no communist,
And I ain't no socialist,
And I ain't no capitalist,
And I ain't no imperialist,
And I ain't no democrat,
Sure ain't no **** republican either,
I only know one party,
And that is freedom.
I am...I am...I am...

I am a patriot, and I love my country,
Because my country is all I know.

And the rivers shall open for the righteous,
And the rivers shall open for the righteous,
And the rivers shall open for the righteous someday...
Someday...someday...



DrafterX
13 years ago
Taps86
13 years ago

😟

DrafterX wrote:



I got a better one. Some times people question what party I really associate myself with. I used to be Far Right Conservative. Nowadays I find myself being an Independent Conservative.



Here's to the judges of William Renhquist
Who wear the robe of honor in there phony legal 4
And Justice is a stranger when the partisans report
When the court elected the president it was the begining of this war
Ohhh here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
William Renhquist find yourself another country
To be part of

And here's to the government of ****** Cheney
With criminals posing as advisors to the crown
And they hope that no one sees the sites and that no one hears the sounds
'Cause the speeches of our president are the ravings of a clown
Ohhh here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
****** Cheney find yourself another country
To be part of

And here's to the churches of Jerry Falwell
well the cross once made of silver and now it's caked with rust
And the sunday morning service pand in to the fear of men in love
And heaven only knows in which god they can trust
Ohhh here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
Jerry Falwell find yourself another country
To be part of

And here's to the laws of John Ashcroft
Congress will pass an act in the panic of the day
And the Constitution is drowning in an ocean of decay
And freedom of speech is dangerous I've even heard them say
Ohhh here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
John Ashcroft find yourself another country
To be part of

And here's to the businessman of George W.
Who want to change the focus from Halliburton and Enron
And their profits like blood money spilling out on the White House lawn
To keep their hold on power they're using terror as a con
while the bombs they fall on children.. don't care which side that they're on
Ohhh here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
George W find yourself another country
To be part of
Ohhh here's to the land you've torn out the heart of
George W find yourself another country
To be part of




DrafterX
13 years ago
those names can easily be replaced.... nice template... 😟
teedubbya
13 years ago
Tell me true, tell me why, was Jesus crucified
Is it for this that Daddy died?
Was it for you? Was it me?
Did I watch too much T.V.?
Is that a hint of accusation in your eyes?
If it wasn't for the nips
Being so good at building ships
The yards would still be open on the clyde.
And it can't be much fun for them
Beneath the rising sun
With all their kids committing suicide.
What have we done, Maggie what have we done?
What have we done to England?
Should we shout, should we scream
"What happened to the post war dream?"
Oh Maggie, Maggie what have we done?
DrafterX
13 years ago
poor Maggie... 😞
DrafterX
13 years ago
🤔
are we allowed to say Nips..?? 😕
teedubbya
13 years ago
Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back.
tailgater
13 years ago
Using my Way-Back machine, I recall a conversation with our pal Adroomi.
The issue was Bush listening to phone calls without warrant.

This was when 9/11 was still fresh and the fear of terror cells in the USA was a new topic at the water cooler.
At the time, I was in favor of the phone tapping. By all accounts, it was aimed at those who associated with known terrorists and at American citizens who frequently dealt with suspect regions (whether by travel or correspondence).

Adroomi claimed (he was a renowned liar of epic proportions) that he fit the profile since he was such a world traveler. I suggested that this was a minor inconvenience considering the stakes. We debated this in our usual friendly banter style I'm sure.

In any event, the new law under Bush had a purpose that didn't appear to extend (by intent) to encompass our major communications corporations.
People figured that if they called uncle Akmed or aunti zetuni (oops) in Saudi Arabia that they might not be speaking in private.

But nobody expected it to grow exponentially in scope.
And Obama literally promised that he would not engage in these tactics.

Yet here we are.
And nobody knew for sure this was happening until it was leaked.

How is this even remotely related to being a traitor?
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