No one is arguing the dire economy Blood. Try talking to a few critical access hospitals in the rural areas of the country on a consistent basis, or contractors whose budgets have been cut in half and are trying to lay off as few people as possible while trying to maintain a quality service or product. My guess is you have first hand experience with some of that and I feel for you. There is no insulation here and your assumptions are flawed (due to your blindness)

I bust my ass in my job and am just as productive as I was when doing similar things in the private sector. Funny, my employer changed but I never noticed I am no longer working and don't have a job. I was tricked into the welfare apparantly. Your's is an effed up frustrating mentality but it is shared by many many people (which must make it accurate).

I am grateful I have a job and a good one at that. I worked hard to get the educaiton (leavng it mispelt due to the irony) and experience to get it. I could have (and was doing so) traveled a much riskier path and made my decisions. I have peers that chose that other path. They never complained when they were making twice what I was (or more) during the boom, but do seem to complain during the busts when they are makeing less or zero.

A job is a job. If there is a need for the product or service great. If there is not, then it sould be eliminated. Regardless of who the employer is. That is my biggest complaint about government. Often there is no need (either to begin with or over time) and those jobs shouldn't exist. That includes mine. To be honest if I didn't find value or beleive in what I am doing I would have never gone this route (I was recruited) or I would get out. I planned on staying 2 years to round out my resume but it turned out I like it and am making a difference. I can literraly see the difference I am making.

But this incessant "we pay your salary", "you are like the greeks", "you have no clue because you are insulated", "overpaid" etc. is pretty narrow minded, at times insulting, and juvenile in many ways. All comming from someone trying to act as if they have it all figured out.

It's not sustainable and tasks and their associated jobs need to go. I know very few people in "The government" that don't believe that. Do you know people in the government that do?

Absolutely. When pressed for unneeded areas in government, they always cite somebody else because what they do makes a difference.

I see. Good to know.

So are you saying you chose a safer path of having others make the decisions?!

Have you met government employees that lobbied for their job to be eliminated?

Yes. In fairness the job was not eliminated but the tasks were. The team of folks were moved into an area of need which caused additional issues because the skill sets did not match up. Ideally they should have been laid off or forced to reapply based on background.

It was the lead of the team that identified lack of need. Most folks I know want to work not sit around doing nothing.

But it's not lost on me that self preservation is human nature regardless of employer.

I've spent more time in the private sector and am trying to think of any examples I have seen of private sector folks lobbying to eliminate their jobs. The difference IS the employer. Private corps are more inclined to cut unneeded positions which as I said is a flaw in the government rather than the employee

who are you talking to..?? 😕

You

oh..... 🤔

Damn phone. Can't edit well so multi posts happen

Glad you are listening though

I found a way to cut about 5 to 6 months work off the little girl in our office today and now they're mad at me... I didn't realize they were trying to keep her busy just to be busy... 🤦

Most of the Government force should be riffed & helped to find work in the private sector (good luck with that). We can no longer afford a huge welfare state that shuffles paper in quadruplicate- one agency that I know has departments whose sole purpose is to audit one another.

Sorry, TW, but you're fired. 😢 We've found an illegal who can replace you and your staff for fewer chavos ($$$).

It's unfortunate you feel that way blood. At least you are honest.

I don't want to see you or yours hurt, Tim. You're a capable man but you're still fired though.
HOWEVER, I WILL buy some of your home-made sausage flavored ales on consignment, my friend. In fact, put me down for auto shipment.

In the meantime, unemployment comp is not all that bad despite sequestration cuts. My unemployed friends are living like kings![sarcasm]

...and don't get me started on double dippers who tap into their Government retirement sometimes DECADES before we can qualify for ours.
In the meantime, they compete for & snap up our primary jobs as their second incomes while they sop up the taxpayer gravy.


But don't feel sorry for us, TW. Some of us are expanding into the healthcare, pawnshop, and repossession industries.
For me it's healthcare. I've already bought straitjackets and drool bibs for our clients. Even got a place reserved for you.👍

I'll just keep working boss. I cant retire until well into my 60s, maybe 70s. Hope I make it. I'm sorry you are so bitter and have such a gloomy view of the future.