HockeyDad
12 years ago
^PeasantCare hospitals! I like it.
DrafterX
12 years ago
do the poor people get to choose which plan they want since it's free for them anyway..?? 😕
ZRX1200
12 years ago
They don't get to pick schit....


They get Medicaid.
DrafterX
12 years ago
isn't that what they had before..?? 😕
HockeyDad
12 years ago

isn't that what they had before..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:




Yes. None of this is about the poor.
DrMaddVibe
12 years ago
It's for the kids...I know, I know.
victor809
12 years ago
In theory the medium-poor now have some insurance to keep them from becoming poor-poor when health catastrophes occur.

DrafterX
12 years ago
screw the medium-poor... 🤐
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Riiight.

Cuz costs will come down and care will improve.
victor809
12 years ago
I'm not sure I see the problem with medium-poor people just not getting treatment for their illness and dying. Hell, they could treat as well as they can afford, until they become poor-poor and can file for mediaid... or something like that. Or die...

victor809
12 years ago

Riiight.

Cuz costs will come down and care will improve.

ZRX1200 wrote:



Who said costs will come down and care will improve?
DrMaddVibe
12 years ago

Who said costs will come down and care will improve?

victor809 wrote:




DrafterX
12 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=xEYFFiEnUjQ

🍺
HockeyDad
12 years ago

I'm not sure I see the problem with medium-poor people just not getting treatment for their illness and dying. Hell, they could treat as well as they can afford, until they become poor-poor and can file for mediaid... or something like that. Or die...

victor809 wrote:




Can we really late-term abort the medium poor?
victor809
12 years ago
^ within this thread
DrMaddVibe
12 years ago

Can we really late-term abort the medium poor?

HockeyDad wrote:




That's now covered with KenyanKingKare!
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Walked



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It..........
Abrignac
12 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=xEYFFiEnUjQ

🍺

DrafterX wrote:



Ha!
stogiemonger
12 years ago

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/hospital-of-tomorrow/articles/2013/10/30/top-hospitals-opt-out-of-obamacare

Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare

The Obama Administration has been claiming that insurance companies will be competing for your dollars under the Affordable Care Act, but apparently they haven't surveyed the nation's top hospitals.

Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered under their personal policies. Most of the top hospitals will accept insurance from just one or two companies operating under Obamacare.

"This doesn't surprise me," said Gail Wilensky, Medicare advisor for the second Bush Administration and senior fellow for Project HOPE. "There has been an incredible amount of focus on the premium cost and subsidy, and precious little focus on what you get for your money."

Regulations driven by the Obama White House have indeed made insurance more affordable – if, like Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, you're looking only at price. But responding to Obamacare caps on premiums, many insurers will, in turn, simply offer top-tier doctors and hospitals far less cash for services rendered.

Watchdog.org looked at the top 18 hospitals nationwide as ranked by U.S. News and World Report for 2013-2014. We contacted each hospital to determine their contracts and talked to several insurance companies, as well.

The result of our investigation: Many top hospitals are simply opting out of Obamacare.

Chances are the individual plan you purchased outside Obamacare would allow you to go to these facilities. For example, fourth-ranked Cleveland Clinic accepts dozens of insurance plans if you buy one on your own. But go through Obamacare and you have just one choice: Medical Mutual of Ohio.

And that's not because their exchanges don't offer options. Both Ohio and California have a dozen insurance companies on their exchanges, yet two of the states' premier hospitals – Cleveland Clinic and Cedars-Sinai Medical Center – have only one company in their respective networks.

A few, like No. 1-rated Johns Hopkins in Maryland, are mandated under state law to accept all insurance companies. Other than that, the hospital with the largest number of insurance companies is University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland with just four. Fully 11 of the 18 hospitals had just one or two carriers.

"Many companies have selectively entered the exchanges because they are concerned that (the exchanges) will be dominated by risky, high-using populations who wanted insurance (before Obamacare) and couldn't afford it," said Wilsensky, who is also on the board of directors of UnitedHealth. "They are pressed to narrow their networks to stay within the premiums."

Consumers, too, will struggle with the new system. Many exchanges don't even list the insurance companies on their web sites. Some that do, like California, don't provide names of doctors or hospitals.

The price differences among hospitals "can be pretty profound," said Joe Mondy, spokesman for Cigna insurance. "When you are doing a cost comparison with doctors, you should look up the quality of the hospital as well. Hospital 'Y' could be great at pediatrics and not great at surgery."

HockeyDad wrote:





Your "facts" are questionable, and you aren't intelligent enough to understand how good the ACA is.

I would explain, but, you won't listen anyway, and you aren't worth the trouble of any further explanation.

Go and watch some more Fox News Channel. (insert sarcasm smiley here)

Brewha
12 years ago

Your "facts" are questionable, and you aren't intelligent enough to understand how good the ACA is.

I would explain, but, you won't listen anyway, and you aren't worth the trouble of any further explanation.

Go and watch some more Fox News Channel. (insert sarcasm smiley here)

stogiemonger wrote:


+1

But you now are at risk of a ferocious French taunting.
(He might even breakout his globalist cone thing)
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