cacman
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12 years ago
The American taxpayers lost billions saving GM. Now Chrysler is being completely taken over by Fiat.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/01/news/companies/fiat-chrysler/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 

Does America even make its own cars anymore, or does the UAW just make cars for foreign companies??? Who's left… GM & Ford?

And this is the same guberment you want to entrust with running your healthcare???
LMFAO!!!
kombat96
12 years ago
What are you reeeeeally trying to say
jpotts
12 years ago
While I was at Ford, I can tell you that virtually every Ford employee was chest-thumping that THEY didn't need a gubbmint bailout. They have a right to be proud. They were actually run by a businessman.

In the end, however, the Big Three are going down the toilet. Inevitably, they will end up being subsidized by the taxpayers because they inevitably cannot keep up with ever increasing CAFE, safety, and emissions standards while making a profit. People in government (read: radical progressives) think that there is this magical Tech Fairy that will turn money into technological advancements by simply waving a wand. That is how they view innovation: simply a matter of spending money.

The result will be a bankrupt economy.

Some innovations require other innovations to occur in order to be feasible. No amount of money can spur someone's imagination. It has to happen organically.

Then again, what else would you expect from the same morons who - with their lovely Masters and PhDs from prestigious Ivy League universities - racked up 17 trillion in debt?
Bur
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12 years ago
You mean the Executive Branch taking property by decree (throwing out centuries of bankruptcy law precedent), nationalizing private business, selling assets seized from individuals to a foreign company and then selling remaining assets at a loss adding to aforementioned 17T debt?

Yeah, I see no problems with that economically, politically or morally.















cacman
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12 years ago
Henry Ford invented the Automobile, but the American Union killed the US auto industry. Or was it healthcare costs? Let's raise everyone's minimum wage to $15/hr too - a pay-cut to everyone else.
It's a crying shame that the country that invented the automobile, can't produce the most innovative product.
China's on the moon and we're still watching Voyager 1.
ZRX1200
12 years ago
Fat pigs got their way and cut their own throat.
TMCTLT
12 years ago
And even if they ( all 3 ) we're making the very best automobiles on Earth, people would still be driving foreign!!!
Perhaps if our Federal Gov. We're as interested in giving the Big 3 the SAME tax breaks etc that the AFTA gave the rest of the world they could still be competitive ( I agree the Unions have become far too powerful and I personally saw guys who DID NOT deserve their good paying job saved by the union time and again) So I attribute their failure on more than just one issue. And both Ford and GM Are making cars that stack up against about anything out there! they just cost a bit more and folks can't / won't do the math on supporting these companies.

The Chrysler Corporation on the other hand has been struggling for decades and has received bailouts before they should be allowed to FAIL.

And in the end, I justify their bailout this way. These companies produce a product that everyone of us need / want / use....why unless our very elected officials are deeply invested in foreign entities would they give them a clear edge over American held companies? And where's all the HATRED for the banking industry who seems to get a pass in this conversation???? They are far more culpable than those who are at least producing a "product we all use"
Buckwheat
12 years ago
I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?
DrafterX
12 years ago
🤔
there's prolly not a tv repairman within a hundred miles of me..... 🤔
TMCTLT
12 years ago

I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?

Buckwheat wrote:




I couldn't agree more BW!! I did however have our Vizio ( never Never but their product again) repaired but it was on them. He'll the better question is how many keep their automobiles longer than 3 yrs ( lease period for most)????
Both of my last two pick ups I bought new (1988) and (2000) Chevy and GMC ....I had for 12-14 yrs and ZerO issues with either one, the 88 had 276,000 miles when I sold it for $2000 and my neighbor drove it another 3-4 yrs before giving to his nephew. My 2000 currently has 238,000 and is going strong as an ox AND still looks good considering it has NEVER been garaged. Proud to drive American here.....proud as HELL!!! 🌫
GhostTown
12 years ago
All my cars are Chevy/GM. Gearing up to buy a new one this spring.
bloody spaniard
12 years ago
I heard some Italian company (Fiat?) is making my beloved Jeep out of China...#-o

But not to worry, for in 2016 our country turns it's lonely eyes to another Bush or Clinton hero... 🤣
bloody spaniard
12 years ago
Now the union folks at Boeing in Washington state want out of a contract that guarantees steady work for years to come from a new aircraft...
Something about not wanting to replace their Boeing pensions with 401K plans.
Wonder if they're taking a page out of the Detroit union book?

[sarcasm]
MACS
12 years ago

I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?

Buckwheat wrote:



If we're talking electronics I will agree, Julian. If we're talking vehicles I have to disagree. I buy Japanese cars because of their reliability and value. I owned 2 American cars and they both sucked. I've had countless Japanese cars with little to no mechanical issues.
DrMaddVibe
12 years ago

I heard some Italian company (Fiat?) is making my beloved Jeep out of China...#-o

But not to worry, for in 2016 our country turns it's lonely eyes to another Bush or Clinton hero... 🤣

bloody spaniard wrote:




:-k

Mittens said the same thing and they called him a liar…then they announced plans to open plants in China…GM too.
Brewha
12 years ago

While I was at Ford, I can tell you that virtually every Ford employee was chest-thumping that THEY didn't need a gubbmint bailout. They have a right to be proud. They were actually run by a businessman.

In the end, however, the Big Three are going down the toilet. Inevitably, they will end up being subsidized by the taxpayers because they inevitably cannot keep up with ever increasing CAFE, safety, and emissions standards while making a profit. People in government (read: radical progressives) think that there is this magical Tech Fairy that will turn money into technological advancements by simply waving a wand. That is how they view innovation: simply a matter of spending money.

The result will be a bankrupt economy.

Some innovations require other innovations to occur in order to be feasible. No amount of money can spur someone's imagination. It has to happen organically.

Then again, what else would you expect from the same morons who - with their lovely Masters and PhDs from prestigious Ivy League universities - racked up 17 trillion in debt?

jpotts wrote:


Emission control and mandated efficiency standards alway equal bankruptcy.


If we just deregulate we will all be wealth . . . .
HockeyDad
12 years ago

Emission control and mandated efficiency standards alway equal bankruptcy.


If we just deregulate we will all be wealth . . . .

Brewha wrote:




You speak the language of the peasant.
TMCTLT
12 years ago

If we're talking electronics I will agree, Julian. If we're talking vehicles I have to disagree. I buy Japanese cars because of their reliability and value. I owned 2 American cars and they both sucked. I've had countless Japanese cars with little to no mechanical issues.

MACS wrote:




So I'm curious...which two American cars and how long ago?
Abrignac
12 years ago

I believe that the US consumers have a share of the responsibility of our failing production businesses. The consumers expect and generally buy the least expensive products even if they are designed to be obsolete in a very short time. If it breaks; just get a new one. When was the last time anyone here had their TV fixed?

Buckwheat wrote:



Isn't the TV Repairman hanging out with the Maytag Repairman on a beach in Bora Bora enjoying Mai Tai's brought them by topless native ladies while CROS is nearby snoozing in a hammock tied between palm trees?
MACS
12 years ago

So I'm curious...which two American cars and how long ago?

TMCTLT wrote:



84 Chevy chevette and an 86 Olds firenza. I understand that American cars have improved their reliability, but they still aren't as good as Japan. This isn't just my opinion, it's what consumer reports and other companies like JD power, et al are reporting.

Heavy duty trucks... different animal. We dominate.
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