Wheel is pointing out the brutal realities of abortion. They are facts, regardless of your position on abortion.



IOW, the stinking turd at the confluence of reality and consequences.

Gene363 wrote:

What you don't realize is that these aren't brutal realities. They're facts, but they aren't shocking or brutal.

Do you want to start tallying up how many individual sperm are wasted annually, left to rot in condoms, dirty socks, swallowed, spit out, stuck in buttholes... hell, while we're at it, add in the ones that don't manage to get to an egg! That's gonna be a big number too... and we can call them all tragedies...

I suppose on the other hand we can tally up every egg that's dropped without being fertilized... since we've got so many sperm out there, we really should consider every unfertilized egg as a potential life, stopped cold and sopped up in a cotton wad.

Or we can start talking about the FERTILIZED EGGS which are created, but never implanted when couples (good christian couples who hate abortion) decide to go and get in vitro fertilization. Do you think the doctors only fertilize one egg for implantation? No, they fertilize a bunch, implant a few of those (the rest either stay in liquid nitrogen indefinitely (what kind of hell is that for a living creature?) or are tossed. Then, the multiple which are implanted, some are killed off in the womb if too many remain viable (ie, if 4 start growing, they'd abort 3).

These are facts. These are realities. BUT THEY ARE NOT BRUTAL.

Wheel (and others) like to spout big numbers (55 million1!!!) and then associate them with pictures which are not in any way relevant to those numbers... I assume he's just been confused by propaganda out there, but it's possible he knows what he's doing.

victor809 wrote:

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Winston Churchill

The reality? Abortion is about killing. That may be clinical to you, but the reality is brutal.

Gene363 wrote:

Define killing.

victor809 wrote:

Define killing.

victor809 wrote:

Google is your friend, I'm not into 50(k) questions.

You are convinced abortion is great, you have to live with that decision. You are wasting your time trying to convince me abortion is clinical process. I'm old enough to know what things were like before 'legal' abortions as well as the current situation. Anyone that thinks either solution is problem free is ignorant to the facts associated with both.

Gene363 wrote:

Why would you assume I think everything is problem free?

I believe abortion is a tool. It's something women can use to have greater control over the various issues which impact their lives.

People like to use inflammatory words all the time with these sort of topics. Inflammatory words like "killing", "brutal"... they like to show images of fetuses which have less relation to the majority of abortions than a puddle of sperm does. They do this for impact, because they know showing a picture of a cluster of cells won't elicit the same emotional response, despite being more accurate.

People have gladly and willingly thrown accuracy to the wind in favor of half-truths, misdirection and outright lies simply because they believe it improves their argument. the irony is, in this case the group claiming women are getting abortions "uninformed" of what they're doing, seem most interested in spreading misinformation in the hopes of engendering an emotional response.

This is why I demand accurate definitions. If you want to call all abortion "killing" I demand a definition of what "killing" is. If you don't like me demanding accurate definitions, then use more precise and less emotionally laden words.

victor809 wrote:

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You do realize, that if these are irresponsible people, they're likely not going to be responsible parents either.

victor809 wrote:

Is that you, Mr. Clinton? You still trying to determine what the meaning of the word "is" is?

Would you prefer the term "mercy killing" instead?

I don't think women are "uninformed" about what they are doing. They know what they are doing. But I do think they are severly "uninformed" (not taking into consideration) how this will impact their life 5, 10, 30 years from now. In the present moment, it's probably a painful process, and even a tough decision (I hope), but I don't know that that moment compares to the mental anguish (personal hell) they go through afterwards.

daveincincy wrote:

So perhaps we should allow abortion, but require the parents be neutered?

tailgater wrote:

But if that's something to consider, so is the loss of opportunity. Depending on the situation, carrying the kid to term can mean sacrificing an education, getting stuck either marrying a guy they don't want to marry, or having to try raising a child alone, a significant loss of career opportunities since it costs more to put a kid in daycare than most entry level jobs pay, a loss in relationship opportunities down the road since there's going to be guys who simply don't want to get involved with a woman who has a kid. If she has to wait until the kid is older to date again, she's stuck with the leftovers of the dating pool.
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victor809 wrote:

I know a few grandparents raising kids their kids can't take care of don't want to take care of... talking about messing up someone's like.. retirement is suppose to be worry free isn't it..?? 🤦

DrafterX wrote:

Who'll be left to wipe your ass when you're old?😢

bloody spaniard wrote:

I know a few grandparents raising kids their kids can't take care of don't want to take care of... talking about messing up someone's like.. retirement is suppose to be worry free isn't it..?? 🤦

DrafterX wrote:

You think that's bad? Years ago when broke it off with my girlfriend, I got stuck with the cat.

Brewha wrote:

You really should spin that better.

Instead, tell people you dumped the girl and she still gave you complete access to her *****

victor809 wrote: