I have never enjoyed any fresh rolled cigar. I suppose thats why they age nearly all their other cigars.

As wheelie what a used car lot would do if they had to sit on inventory for 2 years.

As wheelie what a used car lot would do if they had to sit on inventory for 2 years.

huh ?

There are Habanos that are good young,,,,

You make no sense,,,

go ask the Basque, he will agree, then you will understand,,,

doh !

wheel

FWIW - the accepted term is clear Havanas.

Anway, the cigar you spoke of in your first post is a clear Havana. I pointed this out in the second post of the thread, ZRX specifically and explicitly spoke of clears (clear Havanas).

Sure, they were Cuban tobacco, but clears were the cheapies of the day. I have yet to have one that rates any higher than an "interesting novelty" to me. They are $10 - $20 on the private market today mostly as curios. I've seen them go as high as $35-40 a cigar, but I wouldn't pay that without knowing they were decent cigars to begin with (most weren't) and stored properly all these years, as many were not, which is what Buckwheat pointed out.

Ultimately, a white owl cigar is still a white owl and always has been.

The 100-point aged cigars you mentioned: Dunhill Estupendo and the HU Dunhill SS #222, or basically any Cuban Dunhill for that matter, was the best of the best when they were made. Comparing them to a 5-cent mass produced machine made cheapie is two different worlds, you can't even make a legitimate comparison there.

Anway, the cigar you spoke of in your first post is a clear Havana. I pointed this out in the second post of the thread, ZRX specifically and explicitly spoke of clears (clear Havanas).

Sure, they were Cuban tobacco, but clears were the cheapies of the day. I have yet to have one that rates any higher than an "interesting novelty" to me. They are $10 - $20 on the private market today mostly as curios. I've seen them go as high as $35-40 a cigar, but I wouldn't pay that without knowing they were decent cigars to begin with (most weren't) and stored properly all these years, as many were not, which is what Buckwheat pointed out.

Ultimately, a white owl cigar is still a white owl and always has been.

Adam Stop,,,

He's going solo ...

The Basque is out of pocket,,,

wheel,,

I have a box of Hoyo De Monterey LE Hoyo Des Dieux from 99 that were spectacular til 2012.I picked one up one day and it was little more than bland.They're all that way now.They've turned the corner and there is no bringing them back.

My point in all of this is there are no hard and fast rules.Different tobacco will smoke better fresh and some will lose it's spark over time.About the only thing I've found that is consistent is that all cigars go through a fermentation stage between being a freshie and about 18 months old.During this period even cigars with outstanding pedigrees taste like a well aged Puros Indios.

Ron

stop talking about my p$nis

So victor is really wheel, or is wheel really victor?

#-o

Wheel's too short to be half of a victor.

He said he can't get the left hook out of it. 😞

no he said he couldn't get the left hook out of him

Can't he just beat on it a little bit?

That's for TW's an@l bleaching minty fresh b^tthole rinse with integrated b^ttplug applicator. (TM)

He offered to.

the one shaped like praying hands?