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victor809
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11 years ago

#421

Considering that one out of four people in this country think the Sun orbits the earth, 1/3 isn't that bad. Texas and California may be leaning towards believing there really is climate change happening. Not that Texas is that much into reality.

tonygraz wrote:

I think you just said "considering 1/4 of our country is absolute morons, 1/3 of them being idiots isn't that bad"....

That's great if the 1/4 is a subset of the 1/3... but what happens if it's two separate non-overlapping groups completely? We'd be faced with 7/12ths of our country being either a moron, or an idiot.

Of course, it could be two separate, randomly overlapping groups in which case 1/4 is an idiot, 1/6 is an absolute moron, 1/12 of our country is both an idiot and an absolute moron, and 1/2 of our country is none of the above.

ZRX1200
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11 years ago

#422

OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE!

LMAO!

mikey1597
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11 years ago

#423

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Mark Twain'

tailgater
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11 years ago

#424

WWAGD

WHAT WOULD AL GORE DO?

DrafterX
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11 years ago

#425

I think I'll start a new campaign... 'Global Cooling' sounds good... I can just reuse the same made up stats the Global Warming people used and I'll be rich..!! 🤣

HockeyDad
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11 years ago

#426

Just to keep current, when we last polled our studio audience only 1/3 agreed with the overwhelming scientific evidence the climate change is being driven by "us".

I was just wondering if we passed the 50% mark yet.

Brewha wrote:

Climate has always changed. The change has been driven by many things. Ice cores from glaciers in Greenland show climate change has happened abruptly and frequently. As First World humans we have reached the level of arrogance that we think we're the cause of everything and therefore hold the cure.

Right now we're still in an ice age. We're in an interglacial period within the current ice age. We wouldn't like another glacial period. We would have glaciers as far down as Minnesota and New York. That means New Yorkers, Minnesotans, and EVERYONE in Canada would migrate south.

Embrace the warming trend (if there is one) while it lasts.

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HockeyDad
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11 years ago

#427

I think I'll start a new campaign... 'Global Cooling' sounds good... I can just reuse the same made up stats the Global Warming people used and I'll be rich..!! 🤣

DrafterX wrote:

We did the global cooling panic in the 1970s with a surge in glaciation being imminent.

Personally, I like the global warming game better than the global cooling game although I could probably figure out how to make money off it as well.

You gotta admit, rapidly flooding coastal cities is a lot more motivating image than people in upstate New York staring at the leading edge of a glacier and screaming in terror as it advances three inches per year. People be like hitting it with sticks....and stuff.

Edited by user 11 years ago | Reason: Not specified

DrafterX
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11 years ago

#428

We could finally sell those torches.. 👍

victor809
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11 years ago

#429

As First World humans we have reached the level of arrogance that we think we're the cause of everything and therefore hold the cure.

HockeyDad wrote:

To be fair, one does not have to be the cause of something to be able to cure it. Just as even if something is naturally occurring is not a reason for us to not "cure" it.

If we as a species (well, not the entire species... lets say "first world contingent of our species") are reasonably sure that the current climate of the planet is "ideal" for our needs (and I mean taking everything into account... water available for drinking, sea levels in regards to low-lying trailer parks, climate for growing sufficient food to feed our populations (first world population... who cares about the rest)...) then it would behoove us to try to lock the climate down in the current state.
l,

DrafterX
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11 years ago

#430

you're a sick man... 🤐

victor809
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11 years ago

#431

you're a sick man... 🤐

DrafterX wrote:

why?

teedubbya
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11 years ago

#432

I hope you feel better soon vic

DrafterX
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11 years ago

#433

it's prolly a tumor... 😟

bgz
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11 years ago

#434

There was as study recently saying that with the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere has caused plant life to grow faster and be more versatile due to the increase.

On top of that, Monsanto has been introducing Round Up resistant strains of crops and other plant life seems to be inheriting those genes.

Proof of this can be found in my yard where I sprayed the chit out of the weeds and landscape with Round Up ground clear a few weeks ago, and now I already have some weeds that are 2 feet tall... WTF...

Damn that global warming, my weeds won't stay dead.

DrafterX
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11 years ago

#435

Damn that Montoya guy... 🐴

Brewha
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11 years ago

#436

HockeyDad wrote:

I think your ignorance (that is ignoring, not lack of smarts) of the huge and abnormally large amounts of greenhouse gasses we are dumping into the air is the cornerstone of your uninformed opinion. You seen to be running with the idea that no amount of industrial pollution could have a real effect on the climate. So regarding climatologists your virtually all alone, but in the company of the great unwashed masses you are surrounded.

Thank you for your enervating comments.

tailgater
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11 years ago

#437

Brew,
Will you be topping this thread at every instance of a severe weather event?
Media sheeple are so predictable.

But I digress.
Let's play along.
Since you're not "ignorant" to the "facts" of man induced climate change, please enlighten us:
1. What percentage of our climate change is influenced by man?
2. What percentage of that is caused specifically by fossil fuel burning?
3. If man stopped burning fossil fuel yesterday, what would be the long term impact to climate?

Three simple questions.
If you want to tell me and my company what I can and can't do, you better have those answers. Because otherwise you're just following a media driven frenzy.
But don't fear. We won't call you ignorant.

victor809
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11 years ago

#438

I'm curious Tail, whether you follow your Dr's advice on things like eating healthy and exercising...
Because all of your questions could easily be applied to that situation.

1. What percentage of my life-span will be due to my diet/exercise vs my genetics?
2. What percentage of that is specifically from eating McDonalds?
3. If I stopped eating McDonalds yesterday, how long would I live?

Yet I'm gonna bet that you take a Dr's recommendation that you eat healthier, exercise more with some greater amount of seriousness. You may even listen to them, despite the fact that eating healthier is more expensive, and exercising takes time which could be used to earn money.

The point, in case you missed it, is that answering those questions isn't actually necessary to show an understanding of the causality between two factors. It certainly would help in quantifying, but isn't necessary to at least know what direction to head. And while just like in environmental discussion, there is the health nut who thinks quinuoa shakes and 5 hours of exercise daily is going to make him live forever, you also don't want to be the idiot who eats 1lb of bacon daily in front of the couch and is surprised when he dies of a coronary at 50.

HockeyDad
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11 years ago

#439

Brewha wrote:

400 parts per million. That is where we are at for CO2 levels. They've been on the rise since the industrial revolution. They've been on the rise in the Holocene period coinciding with the written history of mankind and civilizations.

We can go ahead and make the leap of faith that those who proclaim they are intelligent and enlightened have done (yes, you are in that group) and reach the conclusion that man is the cause of this current round of climate change. Next we have to make a proclamation that climate change/global warming/global cooling is a bad thing. (Global warming actually is a good thing for some areas, not good for other areas) Now we can easily see that we need to reduce or eliminate mankind and eventually CO2 levels will fall. Most won't think this is a workable solution but it is an obvious one if we have the problem designed right.

Since we're not going to reduce the human population, CO2 levels are going to continue to rise. We can tweak a few things like carbon emissions and reforestation but these really barely dent the CO2 emissions of mankind and we're still growing our ranks. Here's the reality......CO2 will continue to rise in your lifetime. Temperatures will continue to rise in your lifetime. Sea levels will continue to rise in your lifetime. Nothing you can do will change this. Eliminate all CO2 emissions tomorrow and the levels will still likely rise for another 100 years. You can send me $500 for carbon credits and I'll plant some trees and you will feel much better but the numbers still are going to rise.

What you have to decide is can you handle the increases over the next 50 years. Sea levels are going to be up by one inch and average temperature may be up by half a degree or something. If you can't handle this change...move! If you think you can handle it then adapt, overcome, intelligently re-design, whatever.

victor809
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11 years ago

#440

We can tweak a few things like carbon emissions and reforestation but these really barely dent the CO2 emissions of mankind and we're still growing our ranks. Here's the reality......CO2 will continue to rise in your lifetime.

HockeyDad wrote:

Why would you assume there is nothing we can do to make a dent in CO2 emissions? I'm sure, with sufficient financial incentive, scientists could come up with something. (Now, I'm not saying we won't then have CO2 shortages 100 years from now... but hey... future people can deal with that).

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