Hamas is my of my favorite dips...
It is nice on crackers or Melba Toast...

yummy.


wheel,

wheelrite wrote:

Just what is a terrorist?

Not picking sides, and by no means do I agree with Hamas' methods, but one may want to step back and examine a little history. One may also ask oneself what they would do if one day a group of super powers decided they needed there land to carve out a nation for another group of people and so they were told they had to pack there belongings and move out.

Abrignac wrote:

I'd like oh see that transcript.

teedubbya wrote:

is your google broken?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/27/sotu.01.html 

to be fair she never says they are a humanitarian organization... I guess you can't believe everything you read on cbid...

she says the quatari's have told her they are a humanitarian organization - which, wtf cares what they say?

she doesn't refer to them as a terrorist organization...

PELOSI: "Well, we all -- war is a deadly thing. And I have many Palestinians who live in my district and I am hearing them regularly about how their families are affected who live in the region. It's a terrible thing. But let me just say that any missile that comes from someplace has a return address. And if Israel is responding to that address, then that's a shame that the Palestinians are use -- are rumored to be using children and families as shields for their missiles.

Should we all try to, first of all, avoid conflict, the Hamas initiated this. So again, this has to be something where we try to have the two-state solution, that we have to support -- we have to support Abbas and his role as a leader there. We have to support Iron Dome to protect the Israelis from the missiles. We have to support the Palestinians and what they need. And we have to confer with the Qataris, who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, maybe they could use their influence to - "

opelmanta1900 wrote:

you mean like we did to the Indians? and the Mexicans? and what the turks did to Armenians? and what David did to the Ammonites? and what Rome did to 90% of the known world?

history is rife with examples of people losing their land in hard fought struggles... that doesn't make it right....


what history is not rife with is governments employing cowardly tactics like hiding bombs and artillery in and around schools and churches used as refugee centers...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

Go back an re-read my original post Joel. I never said I agreed with their tactics. Nor have I ever given any indication in these forums as to what if any side, if any, I've taken in this conflict. In all fairness I will disclose that I served 4 years active duty in the USCG from 1984 until 1988. I also served in the Louisiana Army National Guard from 1988 until 1990.

War is what the combatants make it. It's never fair and least of all pleasant. Gone are the days of trench lines far removed from civilian populations.

As far as where one hides munitions, some call it cowardly to stockpile them in civilian locations. It serves a dual role. First the bomber comes across as barbaric for killing civilians who may very well be innocent bystanders and it may prevent material losses due to the reluctance of bombing said places.

You should read The Art of War, by Sun Tzu. It's required reading for military commanders including those in the US armed forces. See what it says about varying one's tactics in warfare.

In this instance, those that oppose Israel have never resigned themselves to a submissive role. This is a conflict that will have no end.

Have you sided with Israel and if so why?

Abrignac wrote:

History also doesn't support the concept that if you are at war, all out war civilians are off limits. That is a very recent and short lived development.

It existed for a short while around ww1 and was scrapped during ww2 (London, dresdon, Hiroshima).

The thought of civilized war is stupid. And it allows folks like Hamas to hide stuff among civilians, get their people killed and leverage that. Their people are willing accomplices.

Either you are at war or you are not.

teedubbya wrote:

my tone doesn't come across as well in writing as it does in person... I really wasn't disagreeing with you, but rather expanding on your question of what would you do if a foreign nation took over your soil...

my point was that history gives us a lot of different reactions to the occurrence, but Hamas seems to stand out as unique, if only because some of the world - such as people like pelosi - seem to be lending credence to the stance, if not actions of their government...

I have not sided with Israel per se, but in this current struggle I believe many of their actions can be defended and few if any of the actions of hamas can...

opelmanta1900 wrote:

Until someone in power realizes this reporters are going to keep on dictating how this war is fought. Hamas pays families so that they can hide weapons in their homes. Israel always announces when and where they are going to attack so the civilians can get out but Hamas soldiers force these people back into their homes. They want dead children they can hold up in front of a camera. They routinely fake wounded people who were supposedly hurt by Israeli soldiers.

CelticBomber wrote: