TMCTLT
11 years ago

I'm pretty sure if we handed TCBY a big ole beheading sword and a tied up terrorist he'd just make some excuse about not having the time to put in the sort of effort in beheading that those damn terrorists have and he's gotta go somewhere and do something.

victor809 wrote:




It's interesting to me that TW addressed both of us in his post....yet YOU choose not to comment on your miserable Ass going over there to " play nice with terrorists " I would lop those who do this to Americans heads off in a F'n heartbeat AND probably....probably still sleep well @ night.....as I know I did what I HAD TO DO. See Victoria...I started out and would end my life a Better Person as I would not routinely do something like THAT to a fellow " human being " but they are NOT that.....They ARE ANIMALS in the 1st degree and I would simply be performing a civic duty for my fellow peace and Freedom loving Human friends.....I know it's a tough concept for you To grasp....see in my mind they DO what they do because they thrill to the shock and awe shown by most when something this barbaric is done to human beings, I see performing the same task as Evening the score.....leveling the playing field however you want to put it. PayBack if you will

I would have but One request though if I were handed a beheading sword as You put it.....it would have to be by YOU sweetheart.....
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HockeyDad
11 years ago
With all the talk about how bad ISIS is, there sure are a lot of reports out there that they were trained and armed by the USA. Those weapons we bought in Libya needed a home and what better place than to people fighting Assad in Syria.

Keep in mind that ISIS is actually fighting against the Iranian alliance in the Middle East. This is also helpful to Israel and Saudi Arabia. They got too bold in Iraq for our liking but still are useful to our goals of destabilizing the region.

I wouldn't be expecting any major attack on ISIS from the USA.
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HockeyDad
11 years ago
You people need to keep your eyes on the prize in the grand narrative. War with Iran.
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Abrignac
11 years ago
There is something to be said for the old saying, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

Though hated Huessian, Mubarack and to a lessor extent Qaddafi and Assad had a way of controlling their countrymen. Challenges to their regime were dealt with swiftly and severely. In the void left by by the deaths of 3 and the marginalization of the other the middle east has been conscripted by Muslims wishing to establish an Islamic State ruled by Sharia Law led by the Taliban in Afghanistan and Khomeini in Iran.

As is often the case, one should be cautious in what one wishes for.
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DrMaddVibe
11 years ago
Cleaning the Haus of Saud should've been the first target on the "War on Terror".

Instead we enlisted their help and are taking out their trash.
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Abrignac
11 years ago

Cleaning the Haus of Saud should've been the first target on the "War on Terror".

Instead we enlisted their help and are taking out their trash.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Perhaps a better strategy would be to let those in that region run their own affairs. It seems modern history has been unkind to those would seek regime changes in lands far from their borders.

We meddled in the affairs of Vietnam. Countless casualties and the loss of 55,000+ American lives achieved what?.

The Russians attempted to control Afghanistan and were pushed out. To a large degree we have had no bettor success.

Saddam was removed from power because of ****** Chaney's 1% doctrine. The administration convinced the American people he had WMD's and planned to use them on us. We now know that was not the case. Look at Iraq now. Are we safer or more at danger with Saddam's demise?

Suppose we "cleaned the House of Saud," what guarantee do we have that the new regime would be a bettor ally?
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DrMaddVibe
11 years ago
You clean out the Haus of Saud...you cut off the head of the snake.

See them for what they are. They are destabilizers. They're content to let anyone do the dirty work.

Have no fear...they pay handsomely.
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Abrignac
11 years ago

You clean out the Haus of Saud...you cut off the head of the snake.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




We'll have to agree to disagree. If one were to cut off the head of king snake so to speak, then there will be no one to control all the small snakes. The current situation is far from perfect, but the alternative is murky at best and more likely than not intensely chaotic. Considering the outcome of the recent regime changes I find it real hard to believe it would be a net plus.
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HockeyDad
11 years ago

In the void left by by the deaths of 3 and the marginalization of the other the middle east has been conscripted by Muslims wishing to establish an Islamic State ruled by Sharia Law led by the Taliban in Afghanistan and Khomeini in Iran.

Abrignac wrote:




Although there may be a desire for an Islamic state or Caliphate, you have to keep your scorecard updated. Some Sunnis want that. Some Shia want that. They sure as hell don't want the each other to have that.

The civil war in Syria is Shia (the minority Alawite ****es are in control through Assad) versus Sunni.
The civil war in Iraq is Shia (now in control of the government via free elections) verus Sunni (Saddam's group)
Taliban and Afghanistan = Sunni
Pakistan = Sunni
Saudi Arabis = Sunni
ISIS = Sunni
Palestinians = Sunni
Iran = Shia


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victor809
11 years ago

It's interesting to me that TW addressed both of us in his post....yet YOU choose not to comment on your miserable Ass going over there to " play nice with terrorists " I would lop those who do this to Americans heads off in a F'n heartbeat AND probably....probably still sleep well @ night.....as I know I did what I HAD TO DO. See Victoria...I started out and would end my life a Better Person as I would not routinely do something like THAT to a fellow " human being " but they are NOT that.....They ARE ANIMALS in the 1st degree and I would simply be performing a civic duty for my fellow peace and Freedom loving Human friends.....I know it's a tough concept for you To grasp....see in my mind they DO what they do because they thrill to the shock and awe shown by most when something this barbaric is done to human beings, I see performing the same task as Evening the score.....leveling the playing field however you want to put it. PayBack if you will

I would have but One request though if I were handed a beheading sword as You put it.....it would have to be by YOU sweetheart.....

TMCTLT wrote:



See... this is the sort of stuff I find funny.

Ok. First, let me say it again... your whole "play nice with terrorists" thing is a strawman. In case you don't understand what a strawman is (I know, you skipped class that day too).. YOU created the argument in your own head, because in YOUR head that's what you think I want. Then you say I want us all to do it, and demand I defend against it. I never said anything about playing nice with anyone. You can drop that entire argument (except then you're left with nothing... which is why you're clinging to it).

On the other hand, you've now gone and stated that you'd practically take joy in beheading an unarmed, tied up terrorist in custody... because you're convinced that it's your "civic duty" and that you have to "even the score" and "level the playing field"... Most interestinly, it's because you "know I did what I HAD TO DO"... are you so afraid of an unarmed, tied up person in your custody that the only option you feel is available to you is to kill them? I'm pretty sure there are other options available... maybe better, maybe worse... but beheading definitely doesn't fit under "HAD TO DO"....and for some strange reason you want me nearby while you're on your "beheading unarmed people" spree.

What I find most ironic about the entire thing... your justification... "They ARE ANIMALS in the 1st degree" that's the same justification they use to justify their beheading of infidels. What was I just saying earlier about sinking to their level???
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DrMaddVibe
11 years ago

Although there may be a desire for an Islamic state or Caliphate, you have to keep your scorecard updated. Some Sunnis want that. Some Shia want that. They sure as hell don't want the each other to have that.

The civil war in Syria is Shia (the minority Alawite ****es are in control through Assad) versus Sunni.
The civil war in Iraq is Shia (now in control of the government via free elections) verus Sunni (Saddam's group)
Taliban and Afghanistan = Sunni
Pakistan = Sunni
Saudi Arabis = Sunni
ISIS = Sunni
Palestinians = Sunni
Iran = Shia


HockeyDad wrote:




And who funds them all???

Yes.

See what cutting off the head would do to the Sunni movement? It would neuter it.
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Abrignac
11 years ago

Although there may be a desire for an Islamic state or Caliphate, you have to keep your scorecard updated. Some Sunnis want that. Some Shia want that. They sure as hell don't want the each other to have that.

The civil war in Syria is Shia (the minority Alawite ****es are in control through Assad) versus Sunni.
The civil war in Iraq is Shia (now in control of the government via free elections) verus Sunni (Saddam's group)
Taliban and Afghanistan = Sunni
Pakistan = Sunni
Saudi Arabis = Sunni
ISIS = Sunni
Palestinians = Sunni
Iran = Shia


HockeyDad wrote:



I omitted the scorecard because I didn't want to wade into that quagmire. But, you're right as those two major sub-factions have been at war since the dawn or Islam. Since we are aligned with the Saud's it's no surprise that we are seen as an enemy to the Shia's and particularity the ISIS movement.
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HockeyDad
11 years ago

And who funds them all???

Yes.

See what cutting off the head would do to the Sunni movement? It would neuter it.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




Saudi Arabia funds the Sunni uprisings everywhere as part of their Cold War against Iran and their Shia allies. The USA is in bed with Saudi and the Sunni uprisings. With all the constant strife and wars in the Middle East, ever notice that it is actually Iran and Saudi Arabia that never fire a shot?! Masterful gamesmanship. Get others to do your bidding.

Even on this thread we've got Americans clamoring to do Iran's bidding!

Take out Saudi and Iran wins. Now we have a very strong Syria-Iraq-Iran alliance that forms. Israel won't like that. They're not gonna let us take out Saudi.

Israel is OK with the status quo and there is widespread consensus that ISIS poses no threat to Israel. They're sitting this one out while Muslims kill Muslims. Palestinians, Egyptians, and Jordanians don't have any interest in the Islamic State idea.



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HockeyDad
11 years ago

I omitted the scorecard because I didn't want to wade into that quagmire. But, you're right as those two major sub-factions have been at war since the dawn or Islam. Since we are aligned with the Saud's it's no surprise that we are seen as an enemy to the Shia's and particularity the ISIS movement.

Abrignac wrote:




ISIS is a Sunni movement. Iran hates them and wants them all dead. We're actually aligned with ISIS. We're only an enemy of ISIS if we get involved.
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Buckwheat
11 years ago
If you want to kill them, kill them. Torture accomplishes next to nothing.
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DrMaddVibe
11 years ago
Pretty ironic that the Shias would rather use the democratic process than military coups!
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DrMaddVibe
11 years ago

If you want to kill them, kill them. Torture accomplishes next to nothing.

Buckwheat wrote:



John McCain at the Hanoi Hilton would disagree!!!
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Abrignac
11 years ago

ISIS is a Sunni movement. Iran hates them and wants them all dead. We're actually aligned with ISIS. We're only an enemy of ISIS if we get involved.

HockeyDad wrote:




I stand corrected. I was thinking it was a Shia movement.
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TMCTLT
11 years ago

See... this is the sort of stuff I find funny.

Ok. First, let me say it again... your whole "play nice with terrorists" thing is a strawman. In case you don't understand what a strawman is (I know, you skipped class that day too).. YOU created the argument in your own head, because in YOUR head that's what you think I want. Then you say I want us all to do it, and demand I defend against it. I never said anything about playing nice with anyone. You can drop that entire argument (except then you're left with nothing... which is why you're clinging to it).

On the other hand, you've now gone and stated that you'd practically take joy in beheading an unarmed, tied up terrorist in custody... because you're convinced that it's your "civic duty" and that you have to "even the score" and "level the playing field"... Most interestinly, it's because you "know I did what I HAD TO DO"... are you so afraid of an unarmed, tied up person in your custody that the only option you feel is available to you is to kill them? I'm pretty sure there are other options available... maybe better, maybe worse... but beheading definitely doesn't fit under "HAD TO DO"....and for some strange reason you want me nearby while you're on your "beheading unarmed people" spree.

What I find most ironic about the entire thing... your justification... "They ARE ANIMALS in the 1st degree" that's the same justification they use to justify their beheading of infidels. What was I just saying earlier about sinking to their level???

victor809 wrote:




Okay wordsmith, show me anywhere where I said I'd " Take Joy " in doing something like that to another human being. The difference between you and I sweetie is I would do it to show them that two can....and WILL play that game. I'm not gonna justify your dribble about an unarmed man....as Anyone who can " without provocation " do that to a Non Combative person is just that...an Animal in the first degree and deserves a swift death. But you do have me curious, tell me.....what other / better options would you prescribe when dealing with Animals. A spot of Tea perhaps....
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DrafterX
11 years ago
Beer summit... 🍺
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