There are a lot of illegal things people don't want.

People don't want to be mugged. Is it worth stationing a police officer at every single corner 24hrs a day to make sure it never happens?

My point isn't its illegality, or that there is some negative consequence. It's that people seem to get really really really upset about something which is likely not as big a problem as they think.

victor809 wrote:

It's all a matter of scale. Like I said, that's only 3.5% of our population.

victor809 wrote:

I'm gonna go steal some cigars... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

undocumented makes data difficult and allows folks to prey off those with a predisposed opinion on the matter. It's easy to convince ones self there is a huge drain or little drain but the fact is there is no good data.

teedubbya wrote:

There is no data. Undocumented. No good data as a result. Easy peasy concept. Its not a matter of want to.

As for the "my wife is a nurse/doctor/whatever and has teacher friends" card BFD. I trust my experience over the last 25-30 years working in, formally studying, and implementing health care delivery system more than theirs. Sorry. Nothing against them. I don't know them. I just know what I know and that dog don't hunt.

teedubbya wrote:

Your dog doesn't even get out in the field. Big F'n deal about your " last thirty years " try staying in the Here and Now and I'm gonna go out on a limb that you were a paper pusher and not on The Front Lines where seeing is believing. You just Think you know what you want to know.....pfffft

TMCTLT wrote:

And you would be incorrect.

The thing is I never brought my background or experience into the conversation. You brought yor wife and her friends. I simply responded.

teedubbya wrote:

Our immigration system does need to change but in a viable manner for the following reason. As baby boomers retire there are not enough tax producers to replace them. There is a big caveat to the idea of immigration reform. We do not need more unskilled workers that are a burden to the system. We need people with a viable skill set. So immigration reform needs to make sense for the country as a whole.

gryphonms wrote:

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?

That's what it seems to come down to in the most recent flare-up of the immigration debate. Policy makers and pundits who want tougher policies against illegal immigrants argue that they cost American taxpayers billions of dollars. Those on the other side of the debate counter that illegal immigrants create demand and jobs that promote economic growth.

So which one is it?

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

Video of Michelle Obama discussing immigration with 2nd graders
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Jack Martin, director of special projects for FAIR, says the group is still working on its estimate, but believes undocumented workers leave taxpayers with a fat bill, considering that the government spends money on the workers, and they almost never pay income taxes.
"The study of the fiscal effects of illegal immigration clearly demonstrates that it is a burden on the American taxpayer," says Martin. More forceful implementation of immigration laws could save each U.S. household "in the neighborhood of a couple of thousand dollars a year."

Cost estimates usually only measure the fiscal cost, which weighs government spending (such as on public schools, medical care, incarceration and unemployment benefits) against government income (from income, property and sales taxes.) All those interviewed for this story said they can only make rough estimates, since it's almost impossible to gather accurate data about illegal residents.

Martin argues that more than half of the country's illegal immigrants work in the "underground economy," meaning that they are paid cash under the table, without paying any kind of taxes.

Film at 11..... 🤔 🤔

DrafterX wrote:

Okay so come clean, in what manner did you work in healthcare??

TMCTLT wrote:

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?

That's what it seems to come down to in the most recent flare-up of the immigration debate. Policy makers and pundits who want tougher policies against illegal immigrants argue that they cost American taxpayers billions of dollars. Those on the other side of the debate counter that illegal immigrants create demand and jobs that promote economic growth.

So which one is it?

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a conservative advocacy group that favors tighter immigration laws, argues that the answer is clear: illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers more than $100 billion each year.

Video of Michelle Obama discussing immigration with 2nd graders
null
Jack Martin, director of special projects for FAIR, says the group is still working on its estimate, but believes undocumented workers leave taxpayers with a fat bill, considering that the government spends money on the workers, and they almost never pay income taxes.
"The study of the fiscal effects of illegal immigration clearly demonstrates that it is a burden on the American taxpayer," says Martin. More forceful implementation of immigration laws could save each U.S. household "in the neighborhood of a couple of thousand dollars a year."

Cost estimates usually only measure the fiscal cost, which weighs government spending (such as on public schools, medical care, incarceration and unemployment benefits) against government income (from income, property and sales taxes.) All those interviewed for this story said they can only make rough estimates, since it's almost impossible to gather accurate data about illegal residents.

Martin argues that more than half of the country's illegal immigrants work in the "underground economy," meaning that they are paid cash under the table, without paying any kind of taxes.

Film at 11..... 🤔 🤔

DrafterX wrote:

LOL a great example proving my point.

teedubbya wrote: