[quote=MACS]Weak. You got your ass handed to you by Bucky and you can't say "Damn... you're right".

I guess I didn't really expect it. For all my faults, I can at least admit when I'm wrong. When presented with information that proves your opinion wrong... you can either change your opinion, or continue to be wrong.[/quote]

MACS, when I'm wrong I'm wrong. In this instance I wasn't staking my claim on an idea that illegals don't manage to get some benefits within our country. I was incredulous that there was some sort of program distributing money to illegal immigrants. (Now for all I know there may actually be, especially at the state and local level)... but the examples given weren't what I thought Bucky was claiming. If he was just claiming what was in the examples, then I've got no argument that it occurs. It makes sense that it occurs, given that we take care of american citizen children, and given that some american citizen children have illegal parents.

Simply put, just another case of this administration not doing crap.

I'll pull the OIG report on Monday to get a better look but I think I can comment on the Medicare issue.

There is no benefit available to illegal aliens. Apparently a small number 4000 found a way to get enrolled in file claims. While a small number one is too many. The whole purpose of the proposed rule was to shut that down and bring it to zero. This is not an example of giving illegal aliens benefits or federal money. It is actually an example of clamping down and trying to do the opposite. It's an outlier and an error, it's an exception not the rule

I still don't understand the Medicare advantage part. The article did a horrible job they threw out Medicare advantage but never really said what happened. I'm not sure on that one so I'll check it out as well. I suspect it's the same issue and also very small. The whole article was written poorly and with the kind of strange slant.

As for the others it's the age-old anchor baby issue and a legitimate gripe. Technically the benefits are being paid to an American citizen. But in reality The money ends up with the parent who isn't an American citizen. The same could happen if I got paid from those benefits and ship the money out of country to a Mexican. The difference is it would not be direct. This is an issue for parents that are legal as well. The money is for the child's well being but it loses its identity once paid (unless in a non monetary form). That money could also end up in the illegal hands such as drug dealers etc. That said it's a legitimate gripe and we need to clean this one up too. I'm not sure how to accomplish that. But it is disingenuous to suggest those are benefits to illegals. They are not. But it is money that ultimately ends up in the illegal hands. This is one data set that should be a little more obtainable than some of the others. I'll have to look for this one too. It would still be problematic but it at least would be a little more accurate than some of the others.

The anchor baby issue is the most difficult part of the illegal immigration issue in my mind. I do have a soft spot for the kids themselves because they are pawn in the game and don't have much choice. So I do struggle with anything that would harm them and yet I don't want to do anything that benefits their parents. It's a catch 22.

I still don't buy that the federal government is doling out all kinds of money to illegal aliens though. There are all kinds of mechanisms would've been a plate put in place by both parties to make sure that does not happen. I also don't buy that that number is zero. The crumbs that fall off the federal dinnerplate are often very large.

I also find it hard to get too upset by people that are trying to improve their lives or the lives of their children.

I already said of the hill here illegally the need to go. But I can still empathize with the fact that where they came from isn't that great in there trying to find something better. That doesn't mean I need to give it to them but I can empathize with them.

Damn voice recognition.

I already said if they are here illegally....,.,,,

Open up our border for way more legal immigration and clamp down fiercely on illegal immigration.

Except the fact that we really don't want more Mexicans legally or illegally and its a better argument to say it's not about being Mexican it's about being illegal.

Our porous southern border is A HUGE problem period simply because we Do Not Know Who's coming in.....if Mexicans can do it with impunity....who else are we getting?? Can you say TERRORISTS of the worst kind.....but it's okay " it's all about the kids. TW, while I do not disagree completely with your assessment of the kids being caught up in the middle, IT's THAT very fact " pulling on Americans heart strings " that makes this Much More Difficult to deal with logically.

And moreover when I can lay my head down @ night and KNOW that ALL American children are well cared for, I'll focus on OTHER countries problems. Charity Starts @ Home

The refusal to protect the boarder is almost like the politicians are laying out a welcome mat to terrorists.

I heard there is one.... 😟

[quote=TMCTLT]Our porous southern border is A HUGE problem period simply because we Do Not Know Who's coming in.....if Mexicans can do it with impunity....who else are we getting?? Can you say TERRORISTS of the worst kind.....but it's okay " it's all about the kids. TW, while I do not disagree completely with your assessment of the kids being caught up in the middle, IT's THAT very fact " pulling on Americans heart strings " that makes this Much More Difficult to deal with logically.

And moreover when I can lay my head down @ night and KNOW that ALL American children are well cared for, I'll focus on OTHER countries problems. Charity Starts @ Home[/quote]

Oh come on.

If your problem is not with Mexicans, then your problem isn't with the southern border. That's probably the most secure section of our country. I had friends accidentally end up in canada on camping trips... and anyone willing to give a fishing boat some cash could come across from russia into alaska. From there you're flying domestic.

If the problem you're trying to solve is Mexicans, then fine, concentrate on the southern border. If you're trying to tie in some terrorist angle, then you're closing a window while leaving the door open.

A former friend from Portland, OR that I knew about 15 years ago used to talk about going "camping" along the Canadian border, and how he would return from "camping" with a backpack full of weed. Fast fwd a few years & I found out he moved back to Portland. A couple of years after that, I heard he was on another "camping" trip, and when he & his buddy were kayaking to shore, some sorta of LEO's there started asking questions. Turns out the kayak was full of ecstasy & I think he had to serve five years. I know he wound up in Miami for the New Orleans Super Bowl & that's the last anyone from our circle heard from him.

[quote=jetblasted]A former friend from Portland, OR that I knew about 15 years ago used to talk about going "camping" along the Canadian border, and how he would return from "camping" with a backpack full of weed. Fast fwd a few years & I found out he moved back to Portland. A couple of years after that, I heard he was on another "camping" trip, and when he & his buddy were kayaking to shore, some sorta of LEO's there started asking questions. Turns out the kayak was full of ecstasy & I think he had to serve five years. I know he wound up in Miami for the New Orleans Super Bowl & that's the last anyone from our circle heard from him. [/quote]

randomness. we fished the boundry waters on the MN/canada border nearly every year for 25 or so years. we saw LEO once or twice. we had no weed or X so all was good. But we did enter canada and return unscathed every time. We didn't have anyone brown with us though.

what, you can't take a brown guy fishing with you every now and then..?? 😕

[quote=DrafterX]what, you can't take a brown guy fishing with you every now and then..?? 😕[/quote]

we don't like them. a few tried to go with us wihout our permission but when we found out we made them go home.

🤣

[quote=teedubbya]randomness. we fished the boundry waters on the MN/canada border nearly every year for 25 or so years. we saw LEO once or twice. we had no weed or X so all was good. But we did enter canada and return unscathed every time. We didn't have anyone brown with us though.[/quote]

It's nice that yourself and Victor can continue to use your comparisons to quote literally MILLIONS up MILLIONS of illegals coming over the Southern Border to an occasional fisherman slipping up and back. No chance of a good clean discussions with folks who refuse to compare apples to Apples and stay On Topic. And imagine that yet another obvious insinuation that this is a RACIAL issue, you guys disgust me.

[quote=TMCTLT]It's nice that yourself and Victor can continue to use your comparisons to quote literally MILLIONS up MILLIONS of illegals coming over the Southern Border to an occasional fisherman slipping up and back. No chance of a good clean discussions with folks who refuse to compare apples to Apples and stay On Topic. And imagine that yet another obvious insinuation that this is a RACIAL issue, you guys disgust me.[/quote]

LOL ok mr focus like a lazer on credible issues. You can't even stay focused on what I say. You argue with something else because it didn't fit what you wanted or expected me to say. Obtuse. You have had people that would normally agree with your point of view telling you your ability to grasp facts and articulate them in to a coherent argument is lacking. You just are not good at it. I normally wouldn't say something like that but if you are going to aggressively accuse others of that I suppose you are prepared to hear it is an accurate description of you.

Sorry about the disgust thing. LMAO

I'm Outraged... 😟

[quote=DrafterX]I'm Outraged... 😟[/quote]

have you tried milk of mag?

no, just the kind from cows..... 😟

[quote=DrafterX]no, just the kind from cows..... 😟[/quote]

do you have something against the mags?