victor809
11 years ago

Are you that freakin stupid??? Or just trying to stir the pot… again

Your definition of hypocrisy from above: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

IMHO - Your definition describes the Clintons to a fuq'n 'T'!

Misbehavior - although legal - can still be hypocritical. Oh that's right… the Clintons didn't inhale either.
🐴

BTW - they are headed to court in Jan16 on racketeering charges.

cacman wrote:




I'd be curious where the clintons have claimed the high moral ground. In particular, I'd be curious where the clintons have made any sort of moral stand on sanctity of marriage or adultery. Or do you just assume they think they're better than you?
MACS
11 years ago

Fixed that for you.

Thunder.Gerbil wrote:



Thanks... you got my point.
jetblasted
11 years ago
Do the Clinton's x-rated Christmas tree ornaments count?
jetblasted
11 years ago
All Dems think they're better than other people.

























Disparaging comments about Southerners in 3 - 2 - 1 .....
victor809
11 years ago



Disparaging comments about Southerners in 3 - 2 - 1 .....

jetblasted wrote:



Insert disparaging comments about southerners inserting into their sisters in 3 -2 - 1.....
KBimler
11 years ago

I'd be curious where the clintons have claimed the high moral ground. In particular, I'd be curious where the clintons have made any sort of moral stand on sanctity of marriage or adultery. Or do you just assume they think they're better than you?

victor809 wrote:



It is my understanding that the Clintons were married by a Methodist minister. Though I was not invited to the ceremony, I suspect that a traditional set of marriage vows was used. The Methodist marriage vows frequently include the phrase "forsaking all others", which implies not cheating on your wife with an intern in the oval office. Even if the traditional vows were not used, I suspect that something along the lines of not cheating on your spouse was included in the vows.

Bill Clinton stood before family, friends, soon to be wife, minister, and God and declared to all that he would be faithful to his wife, and then years later "did not have sex" with an intern in the oval office. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

As for Hillary, back in 2004 she took to the floor of the senate and declared "I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults." (here is a link to the youtube video if you don't believe it
)

Of course, Hillary changing position isn't hypocrisy, but simply changing her mind to secure the necessary votes veeded to get elected.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/ 

Everybody at some time is hypocritical. Politicians on all sides of the aisle have simply figured out a way of turning it into a career.
victor809
11 years ago

It is my understanding that the Clintons were married by a Methodist minister. Though I was not invited to the ceremony, I suspect that a traditional set of marriage vows was used. The Methodist marriage vows frequently include the phrase "forsaking all others", which implies not cheating on your wife with an intern in the oval office. Even if the traditional vows were not used, I suspect that something along the lines of not cheating on your spouse was included in the vows.

Bill Clinton stood before family, friends, soon to be wife, minister, and God and declared to all that he would be faithful to his wife, and then years later "did not have sex" with an intern in the oval office. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

As for Hillary, back in 2004 she took to the floor of the senate and declared "I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. I have had occasion in my life to defend marriage, to stand up for marriage, to believe in the hard work and challenge of marriage. So I take umbrage at anyone who might suggest that those of us who worry about amending the Constitution are less committed to the sanctity of marriage, or to the fundamental bedrock principle that it exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults." (here is a link to the youtube video if you don't believe it

)

Of course, Hillary changing position isn't hypocrisy, but simply changing her mind to secure the necessary votes veeded to get elected.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/ 

Everybody at some time is hypocritical. Politicians on all sides of the aisle have simply figured out a way of turning it into a career.

KBimler wrote:



There we go. That's actually how you deliver a point. :)

I'd give Bill a pass, as declaring you'll be faithful, then cheating isn't hypocrisy... it's lying.

Telling others it is morally wrong to cheat, then cheating is definitely hypocrisy. I think Hillary is to at least some extent in that quote linking herself to marriage... but then again she didn't do the cheating. (or did she?... bum bum bummmm)

victor809
11 years ago



Everybody at some time is hypocritical. Politicians on all sides of the aisle have simply figured out a way of turning it into a career.

KBimler wrote:



I agree with this completely.

My argument above (waaayyy above) was simply pointing out that tony's "family values hypocrites" is much more apt for republicans than dems, as dems aren't running on a "family values" platform. They're hypocritical in all other ways politicians are hypocritical, but the party platform generally does not prescribe who you sleep with, when you are allowed to sleep with them and whether your sex-life is destroying the fabric of america.
banderl
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11 years ago
Enough about the Clintons, this thread is about Denny the Diddler!
TIA
KBimler, was DD your congressman?
KBimler
11 years ago

Enough about the Clintons, this thread is about Denny the Diddler!
TIA
KBimler, was DD your congressman?

banderl wrote:



Yes, but since then that district has been redrawn so I am no longer part of the 14th district. The Democrats really did a number on the district borders in an attempt to keep as much control as possible over the state a few years ago (and that is an entirely different political debate).

tonygraz
11 years ago
This seems to be a good summary of the hypocrisy:

By Orin Kerr May 29

If I understand the history correctly, in the late 1990s, the President was impeached for lying about a sexual affair by a House of Representatives led by a man who was also then hiding a sexual affair, who was supposed to be replaced by another Congressman who stepped down when forced to reveal that he too was having a sexual affair, which led to the election of a new Speaker of the House who now has been indicted for lying about payments covering up his sexual contact with a boy.

Yikes.
cacman
11 years ago

Enough about the Clintons, this thread is about Denny the Diddler!
TIA
KBimler, was DD your congressman?

banderl wrote:


What's the matter? Upset that the Paterno & Sundusky fans haven't showed-up proclaiming his innocence?
banderl
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11 years ago

What's the matter? Upset that the Paterno & Sundusky fans haven't showed-up proclaiming his innocence?

cacman wrote:




From what I've heard, he's not even trying to cover for himself.
victor809
11 years ago
Just to be clear... this is the same Hastert who was Speaker of the House back when the House of Representatives was voting to impeach Clinton for getting a bj from an adult....
banderl
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11 years ago
That would be correct, sir.
He also dragged his feet when it came out that Foley was sexting teenage interns.
It all makes sense now.
KBimler
11 years ago

Just to be clear... this is the same Hastert who was Speaker of the House back when the House of Representatives was voting to impeach Clinton for getting a bj from an adult....

victor809 wrote:



Technically, the president was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Getting the bj wasn't the problem, lying about it was.

I wish Hastert could be charged with something more than just structuring and lying to the FBI, but it isn't looking like that will happen (yet).

frankj1
11 years ago
technically, circling the wagons indicates that you are clinging to the belief that one party is superior to the other.
jetblasted
11 years ago
Say what you will about Dennus Hastert, he *did* drive slow through school zones ...
victor809
11 years ago
ouch.... the burn... it hurts. 🙂
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