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Brewha
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11 years ago

#681

Well, if the TV and some politicians say I'm wrong, I guess that settles it.

I've actually posted links in this thread before showing discrepancies in NASA's data and about Climategate Russia.

Am I claiming that human activity has no effect on the environment? Of course not. Of course human activity has a negative effect on the environment. Only an idiot would deny that. The problem is that not only is there no scientific methodology for separating natural vs manmade climate change, but that the science itself has become politicized and corrupted. The data has been manipulated to fit the rhetoric, and even a small amount of digging and reading will show this. In fact, in many cases the actual data flat out doesn't match the rhetoric. Again, if you actually research this, you'll see it.

I'm not thin-skinned. You really do talk to people like they're stupid. Then you tried to play the sarcasm card when I called you out on it. This isn't the first time I've read your posts on the board, ya know.

And I do believe that we landed on the moon. Everybody knows they took Elvis up there in 1977 to live out the rest of his days in peace at the Military Moon Complex.

borndead1 wrote:

Granted that there are a lot of people pushing “data” that have an ax to grind on this issue. But do you believe that our “negative effect on the environment” is significant enough to do something about it?
What, if anything, do you think should be done?

Seriously, you really don’t like the comment about the brick ranch in the Poconos? I thought it was gold.....

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#682

Man-made global warming/climate change does not have to be real or even approaching the point of being a crisis. The key thing is we have to keep up the perception that it is real and approaching the point of crisis. As long as we do that, Le HockeyDad can keep making money of it. (yes, I made good money off Y2K as well)

At this juncture Iakey information point is will governments keep dumping money into and forcing companies to dump money into it or will the fad start to fade. I wish I knew that answer. The trick is knowing when to jump off the wave you are surfing.

HockeyDad wrote:

Holy french-fry! I always knew that someday we would unmask the evil villain who is behind all of this.

Just you wait until I tell Commissioner Gordon!

borndead1
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11 years ago

#683

Brewha wrote:

We've already done tons about it. Wind, solar, biomass, and geothermal are growing at a much faster rate than traditional fossil fuel energy production. More people are recycling than ever before. Fuel efficiency in vehicles is at an all-time high. It's the third world that needs to catch up. But countries who are still developing haven't reached that point yet, and you have people pushing for global legislation that would stifle growth in developing countries.

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#684

I think it is interesting that when this post first came out we spoke in terms of global warming. Now we speak in terms of climate change. The question is who to believe. Data can be manipulated to prove almost any hypothesis. For example the depletion of the Ozone layer was considered catastrophic and irreversible at one point in time. Now the Ozone layer is thickening, the hole has ceased growing, and there are projections that the hole will start decreasing in about 10 years. At one time every piece of information on climate change was stating the end of the world as we know it. Now there is information such as a report from Stanford that paints a very different picture.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#685

the depletion of the Ozone layer was considered catastrophic and irreversible at one point in time.

Speyside wrote:

they were just kiddin..... 😟

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#686

Speyside wrote:

So 30 years ago, we bit the bullet and started retooling to get rid of CFC's and the long term investment is not only paying off with an improvement in the ozone, but some jobs were created along the way. Of course it was the guvmut that forced industry to make the needed changes, cuz industry only does what is good for industry.

Not that I would suggest that we always trust the govmut. But in the case of industry, there is nothing to trust. From their doctors testimony that cigarettes are not a health risk, to today's assertion that fraking cannot destabilize land and cause earthquakes they are completely out for their bottom line.

So when I read what the scientific community has to say about greenhouse gasses, and I realize what it will take to retool energy production and use, well is seems a might obvious who to believe.

wheelrite
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#687

You Morons ! It's a money grab by the Super Rich ! It will decimate the middles class , which all Marxists fear. The Carbon Exchanges will dwarf the NASDAQ,,,

Brewha wrote:

oh my...

wheel,,

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#688

is this the new 750?

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#689

Brewha, my point is extremists are usually wrong. This includes corporate polluters whose only concern is the bottom line and the extremists who think humanity should be eliminated to save the planet. The answer lies somewhere in between with each of us being stewards of the planet and the government making reasonable decisions.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#690

oh my, did I poop myself?

wheel,,

wheelrite wrote:

Ah, my good friend Wheel. Speaking from behind the curtain again.
And with none of Oz’s abilities or talents as usual….

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#691

Speyside wrote:

I have no disagreement with any particular point that you are making. At the same time I don’t see that the govmut’s plans are extreme. In fact, I’m trying to think of a good example to of a “climate change extremist”.

What particular point of the prosed changes because of climate change do you find extreme?

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#692

🤔
unrealistic pollution standards that drive up the cost of my utilities while lining the pockets of the bassards that set them..... 😟

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#693

:-k
unrealistic pollution standards that drive up the cost of my utilities while lining the pockets of the bassards that set them..... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Good, good. And which standard is unrealistic?

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#694

the one that says we can't marry our cousins... 😠

Speyside
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11 years ago

#695

Brewha, I think our goal of decreasing CO2 emissions 26%-28% by 2025 is unrealistic, and therefore extreme. I would much rather see a doable number. I have yet to read anything that convinces me 26% is doable.

Brewha
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#696

Speyside wrote:

Good. Now I admit that I do not understand all of the details of this. It is a really big subject and there are lots of things that are affected. So rather than argue the 26-28% angle I will point out that it really is a case by case, industry by industry issue. But remember that the US and China both agree it is doable. And if anybody needs to do it, the Chinese are first on the list.

I look to the future with optimism. The changes we need to make will bring new technologies and cultural evolution. Now I hate to think of us giving up V8 engines, but now that I have seen a Tesla I feel better about the changes that are coming.

We can’t live in the past and just keep burning coal because it is cheap and easy. It is just one example of something we need to grow out of and we can absolutely do it – we’ve already started. And I like seeing windmills and solar cells because they are so much better than smoke stacks. Taking a crap on the Earth may be alright for Victor and the like, but not for me – I have six grandkids….