Brewha
11 years ago

The problem with criminalizing gun possession is what it does to the families of those convicted. Consider this. Everyday people are stopped by police because the forgot to signal a turn, or they failed to get their inspection sticker renewed on time. If they are in a high crime area, there car is going to be searched. If a an unregistered gun is found, they are headed to prison for 5 or 10 years leaving no one to provide for their families. No only that, but those fathers are no longer there to rear their sons. In his absence the streets do his job, but the result is less than desirable. The end result society now has another criminal. Keep in mind that perhaps the only reason that person had a gun in the first place is because he has been robbed once or twice and decided he doesn't want to be a victim again.

Abrignac wrote:


Ok, now we are making some headway. I would agree that mandatory sentencing is often overboard. I mean if I wanted to get rid of somebody, I could plant a gun on then in NYC and they do a year of jail time โ€“ through no fault of their own.

I mean if they caught come some nerd like me with a gun it should be a slap on the wrist for the first offence. Hell I havenโ€™t even had a speeding tick in this century. But if you catch a felon in a crack house with a piece missing the serial numbers โ€“ say by.
DrafterX
11 years ago
poor CROS.... ๐Ÿ˜ž
victor809
11 years ago

Schools are fun free zones. But, that hasn't stopped middle school kids from bringing guns to school.

Abrignac wrote:



Is no one going to pick this one up???
TMCTLT
11 years ago

Is no one going to pick this one up???

victor809 wrote:





You just did....yes I saw it, took it for what it is / was....a typo in an otherwise very coherent post.

okay, maybe worthy of a light chuckle ๐ŸŒซ
TMCTLT
11 years ago

Therein lies the fallacy in so-called reasonable or smart gun laws. It would be my guess that this troubled young man decided that he was ready to exit the world. But, he didn't want to do it in a quiet way. He wanted to be remembered. Surely he was familiar with Columbine, VA Tech and some of the other high profile mass shootings. He knew those incidents had captured the attention of the world. By re-creating those events he knew his name would live on after he was but a rotten hunk of worm food. He was a nobody seeking way more than his 15 minutes of fame.

Surely there's not a person alive that believes he would not have found a way to achieve what he considered his glory.

As far as the cooing off period is concerned, the press and the gun control groups quickly seize on the cases where someone purchases a gun and shoots someone an hour or two later. What no one wants to talk about is the fact that those cases show up in statistics only when those statistics use about 2 or 3 significant digits.

Even more telling is the nature of gun violence. Over time, Baltimore, Chicago, Washington DC, New York, Los Angeles and Detroit have had some of the highest numbers of gun related homocides in the U.S. Yet, those areas are also covered by some of the most restrictive gun laws in the U.S. I would bet the bulk of those gun related deaths are the result of predators fighting over drug turf, drug deals gone bad and retaliatory hits. If they aren't concerned with a life sentence for murder, then the certainly aren't concerned with a few years for possessing an illegal firearm.

Abrignac wrote:





Won't argue these points and would concur completely with the last paragraph!! For those wanting to pile on more and more restrictive laws to be to some degree crazy themselves.

And Brewha, my friend...no one short of crazy doesn't want these needless / senseless crimes and deaths to happen
tonygraz
11 years ago
In Massachusetts one needs a special permit to have any kind of a firearm in the car. If you don't have a special permit you go to jail. When I worked for Colt (in CT), I occasionally got tapped to take a load of guns from one plant to another. I was concerned about what would happen if I was stopped by the police. What concerned me even more was that our guards could not carry and instead had guns locked in a drawer. My concerns were not considered until somebody's husband walked into the plant with a gun and shot his wife.
Brewha
11 years ago

Won't argue these points and would concur completely with the last paragraph!! For those wanting to pile on more and more restrictive laws to be to some degree crazy themselves.

And Brewha, my friend...no one short of crazy doesn't want these needless / senseless crimes and deaths to happen

TMCTLT wrote:


I suppose as always, the Devil himself lives in the details.

I don't want to see people who need defense, my wife and others, be disallowed a fire arm when needed. And the hard core criminals will always find a way to have weapons. But, the seeming wide scale proliferation of guns appears to only be increasing the risk to the innocent.

My opinion; those who are armed should have just cause in the eyes of the law. Like Anthony pointed out; guns ar not toys.
TMCTLT
11 years ago

I suppose as always, the Devil himself lives in the details.

I don't want to see people who need defense, my wife and others, be disallowed a fire arm when needed. And the hard core criminals will always find a way to have weapons. But, the seeming wide scale proliferation of guns appears to only be increasing the risk to the innocent.

My opinion; those who are armed should have just cause in the eyes of the law. Like Anthony pointed out; guns ar not toys.

Brewha wrote:




Neither are kitchen knives or cars or airplanes or motorcycles or ( Drunk Drivers who year in year out kill more than guns ever did. )The " just cause " as you put it....is called personal protection, afforded us under our wonderful constitution so that we may stand a fighting chance against those who have little to no respect for other human lives.
tonygraz
11 years ago
So where is the phrase "personal protection" in the constitution or the amendments thereto ?
TMCTLT
11 years ago

So where is the phrase "personal protection" in the constitution or the amendments thereto ?

tonygraz wrote:




The same place that you'll find the right to healthcare.....๐Ÿบ


More insanity on the right to bear coming out of that Garden City of New Yourk....


http://www.responseaction.com/Article/nyc-threatens-jail-marine-veteran-declaring-lawful-handguns 
tonygraz
11 years ago

The same place that you'll find the right to healthcare.....๐Ÿบ


More insanity on the right to bear coming out of that Garden City of New Yourk....


http://www.responseaction.com/Article/nyc-threatens-jail-marine-veteran-declaring-lawful-handguns 

TMCTLT wrote:




IGNORANCE IN NO EXCUSE - when will you learn ?
TMCTLT
11 years ago

IGNORANCE IN NO EXCUSE - when will you learn ?

tonygraz wrote:





I learned of your ignorance very early on.....why do you ask????

Channeling my best Abrignac....you do realize that all caps is equal to screaming right???
tonygraz
11 years ago
I can't help but wonder how many times you have won the Archie Bunker of the year award ?
TMCTLT
11 years ago

I can't help but wonder how many times you have won the Archie Bunker of the year award ?

tonygraz wrote:




I didn't know such a thing existed. ๐Ÿค”

Your a funny man Tony....not funny ha ha.....just funny, in an ODD sort of way
tonygraz
11 years ago
I can't wait until you are up for a Darwin Award.
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