rick - Happy belated birthday.



SteveS - Happy birthday as well.



Just a point of fact to interject. We may all agree that the ACLU goes too far sometimes, but how can any true American have such disgust for an organization that fights for the constitution?



And as far as patriotism, I think that 9/11 spurned more pattriotism than GWB ever has. The situation itself has brought this country together, and I agree GWB has helped, but he has much less direct responsibility for the increased patriotism than most of you give him credit for. I love america, and I despise GWB, don't confuse the issues... chris

well said

Sorry Rick,just stating a fact.Delusion is as delusion does.Have a nice delusional day! Jimbo

jjohnson28
how many times have you seen "forest gump?"

.... right here in the buttocks ...

woooops!.. did SOMEBODY slip up?

Don't look at me ... my pants are still buttoned ....

does the handle rickamaven stand for Rod Serling? Your thread opening got ME a little concerned Rod,... I mean Rick. This is a complex issue, but I agree with Rick, there is cause for concern.

: PMoreno349

consider this.

rod serling is dead.

RICKAMAVEN is alive.

CW, the ACLU does not uphold the constitution as you suggest. It bastardizes it to prove their own strength. Do you REALLY think that our forefathers intended to give "rights" to organization such as the National Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)? If you do, then your twisted and sick. If you don't, then you realize that the ACLU despite it's historical significance has become a tumor and needs to be removed.

tailgater

first, didn't he say they sometimes go to far?

second, you're correct. anyone who doesn't agree with you is "twisted and sick."

Rick, I have been reading some of your threads. The reference to Rod Serling was intended as a compliment (except for the dead part). I meant that you are describing a scenario which SHOULD make us feel as if we are slipping into the Twilight Zone. My vote is that you should ignore the heat and press on.

PMoreno349 very nice to meet you

i knew you got my reference, i just had another blab to post.

you are beating eleltea to the punch. i may have to try some off the wall references and see what happens.

if you miss the other message i left re plant cuttings, email me [email protected]

tailgater - see the first part of Rick's post. I agree, in the absence of major groundbreaking litigation involving individual liberties the ACLU has been grabbing at straws in order to maintain their existence. But if you were to look at the US back before 1960 most people would have thought the same thing when similar groups we're fighting for equal rights for blacks.

So you are equating the plight of Black America in the '60's with that of F*cked up pedophiles in the new millenium. I hope and pray you'll never know a young child who is molested. But if you do, will you tell them that it was the "civil rights" of the perpetrator to act on their sodomistic tendencies? Shame on you. Despite what the Liberals want us all to believe, there IS room for common sense. And when an organization like the ACLU chooses to ignore common sense and decency in the name of civil rights it is time for that organization to no longer exist.

Rick, get over yourself. Disagreeing with me is not justification for the title of "twisted and sick". Reread the post and tell me which words you don't understand. Last I checked, you liberals use many of the same words that we Americans use.

tailgater - I was not refering to all of what the ACLU does in my comparison, I share your opinion on child molesters. But I do not share your position for abolishing the ACLU, that's what my post was referring to.


FYI, I don't have kids yet but I do have a neice and I am a gun owner, if anyone does something like that to either my future kids or my neice they will not live to be prosecuted. And I'm not a liberal...

Our country was in a tailspin prior to September last year. We have it so stinking good here. Go visit any, and I mean any, other country. No one has what we have in such quantities and for so cheap. What we take for granted here is so far out of reach for the rest of the world. We make so much money, are mobile beyond belief. We have such extensive and immediate communication capabilities from the CIA down to the clerk at Wal Mart who has a cell phone hanging on his side and a GPS in his car. We can drive for 20 hours and never have to cross a true political border. We never have to submit to frequent search and seizure. The future of our country was threatened due to this softness and privileged upbringing. We have kids who don't give a sh17 about patriotism. Who never knew that we can be vulnerable. That our country's framwork can still be shaken. No one here has ever needed to fear our own Government. That is unless they chose to be in violation of our well known, well posted, very well publicised and easily researched laws. Yes we have cruddy taxes. Our President doesn't make everyone in this country happy (who the He&& can?). We need to have a reason to be patriotic. We need to have a reason to respect those which uphold our laws and those that keep our internal framework intact. We don't have a perfect President. I am sure no-one here can name any President, any candidate, any Government representative who makes everyone pleased with his or her job. It will never happen. We have to accept what we have and accept that the person in power pulls the strings. Yeah, the Bush family is one heck of an influential and powerful family. Quite possibly the Kennedy's of the future. They've obtained that power and maintain it by being brutal, sometimes dishonest, and what can be construed as unethical. I don't think power is obtainable without haveing to participate in what the mainstream percieves as bad behaviour. Bill Gates, who quietly donates billions of $$ to charitable organizations, educational programs, schools and uncountable other charities, is no angel. Even Bill Gates has been accused of being less than clean. No-one is immune from having to pull something off the wall to get into a position of ultimate authority. The people who criticize those in power for taking advantage of certain situations to get there, will never be in a position of any real power themselves. Accept what we have. Appreciate what we have. Support whomever is in power. Use your 1st amendment right. We are on the road to better times. Usually it takes a war to jumpstart the economy. We'll see how it pans out. Just feel safe in knowing that what you have and who you are, was, is and always will be, will always be protected from external harm better than any other country or Government. If you want to know what the biggest threat to your portion of the world is, just look in the mirror.

well put rayder!..."we have met the enemy and they are us." pogo

CW, I don't doubt the significance of the ACLU in years past, and I actually think that a small percentage of what they fight for now is commendable. But the vast majority of their efforts have been for totally bogus causes and that has destroyed their credibility to the point where their association with an issue can actually hinder it. Like many institutions before them, they have run their course. Without effectiveness, their utility has disappeared and therefore their existance is unnecessary. Just one man's opinion, but that's what these boards are for.