gummy jones
10 years ago

I think Scalia did his country a great service - by kicking off. This guy was ultra right wing conservative that wanted to take us all back 200 years.

Hopefully with a more balanced SCOTUS we will have less conservative tyranny and less erosion of our rights.

This is great news!

Brewha wrote:



I know right!
Can't wait to get rid of the 1st and 2nd and impose some more "taxes" like obummacare
Down with tyranny

frankj1
10 years ago

I know right!
Can't wait to get rid of the 1st and 2nd and impose some more "taxes" like obummacare
Down with tyranny

gummy jones wrote:


I may disagree here and there on some specifics with you, but I get your anger and respect it.
tonygraz
10 years ago
Anger is not always respectful and often very wrong.
teddyballgame
10 years ago

I think Scalia did his country a great service - by kicking off. This guy was ultra right wing conservative that wanted to take us all back 200 years.

Hopefully with a more balanced SCOTUS we will have less conservative tyranny and less erosion of our rights.

This is great news!

Brewha wrote:




I find it comical that a S.C. Justice like Scalia, committed to following very closely to the Constitution of the U.S. is considered "ultra right wing."

Since when is following the Constitution "far right?" The U.S. Constitution should be considered the central starting point of the conversation.

It just shows how the country has veered left and how extreme, far progressively left the democrat party has gone- off the rails.

Pitiful

[-(
teddyballgame
10 years ago

I know right!
Can't wait to get rid of the 1st and 2nd and impose some more "taxes" like obummacare
Down with tyranny

gummy jones wrote:




And I see your sarcasm and I respect it.
teedubbya
10 years ago
The real argument isn't left or right its whether the constitution is a living document that should adapt to changing times or not (strict constructionist). It's an interesting intellectual debate if you strip the left right politics and natty light expert commentary out of it. The judges themselves seem to respect that.
teedubbya
10 years ago
"following very closely to the contitution" isn't the correct description nor is it right wing. Every SCOTUS is following the constitution whether you agree with them or not. It's sort of like thinking God is closer to your side.
gummy jones
10 years ago

Every SCOTUS is following the constitution whether you agree with them or not.

teedubbya wrote:



while i understand your point im not sure i agree with it. judges are not more principled and do not have better morals than you or i simply because they wear the robe. further, they are not necessarily better equipped to focus on the common good rather than personal gain no matter how badly we want them to.

in our polarized society we are going to see more and more activists judges and it will not be a good thing.
cacman
10 years ago

Every SCOTUS is following their interpretation of the constitution whether you agree with them or not.

teedubbya wrote:


Fixed it for ya.
teddyballgame
10 years ago

The real argument isn't left or right its whether the constitution is a living document that should adapt to changing times or not (strict constructionist). It's an interesting intellectual debate if you strip the left right politics and natty light expert commentary out of it. The judges themselves seem to respect that.

teedubbya wrote:





First off, cacman is spot on with his "fix" of TW post.


Nextly (yes I said "nextly"),

The "living breathing" Constitution argument was "concocted" because Pres. Wilson hated the constraints that the Constitution placed on the government. So, this B.S. was given birth to and liberals run with it as if it were gospel.

The Constitution isn't "living and breathing."

It is a contract with laws that the fed government is supposed to adhere to LIMITING their power and reach. There are provisions for the Constitution to adapt and be changed, through a Constitutional amendment process, which is not fast enough, nor liberal enough for democrats to push through their agenda items.
Why don't we just consider all contracts living and breathing?
Tell the business party on the other side of the agreed to document, that you consider it living and breathing and that you are changing the terms...see how that goes.

So we conservatives are painted as "strict constructionists" to make us sound like we are ever unchanging. Conservatives are ok with the change to the Constitution, but by the amendment process in Article V.

Look at the runaway constant Constitutional convention we have going on now.


The president, ad hoc, passes laws by fiat, or he ignores laws or parts of laws he doesn't feel fit his agenda.
The EPA and other bureaucracies are passing laws that are given the imprimatur by the Supreme Court. These bodies aren't beholden or accountable to anyone, and no where in the Constitution does it say these bodies can make laws.

Look how Roberts twists the Obamacare penalty, claiming it was a "tax", when we have audio, video, written text claiming the exact opposite- it was not a tax, but a penalty on the individual for not acting. Didn't matter, Roberts wanted the law to be law of the land, so he pushed his and the other 4 justices' agenda.
This is NOT following the Constitution, this is trying to make law from the bench.

These are people, just like the citizenry, with their own prejudices and agendas and just because they wear black robes, doesn't mean they are following the Constitution. In fact, we now rely on the vote of one justice in 5-4 votes to say that this is an ok law or not. - what if Roberts went the other way? Then Obamacare is Unconstitutional because HE decided it was?

If the justices all followed the Constitution, why would FDR try and pack the S.C. with justices sympathetic to his agenda? Why do that if all justices follow the Constitution anyway?

The left 4 S.C. judges are never going to change their minds from their liberal bents. Hell, Ruthy Ginsberg thinks South Africa's constitution is THE document to point to for the shining example to the world.

So, if we don't place another "strict constructionist" on the S.C. we are going to go to a place that mindless Utopia-ists like tonygraz and Brewha want to take us to- someplace with a living breathing constitution where the fed government takes whatever liberties it wants... ahhh nirvana.
riverdog
10 years ago
Jeeesus H. Christ!!! I've got such a headache. And odds are it's gonna get worse over the next 8 months.
Brewha
10 years ago

I find it comical that a S.C. Justice like Scalia, committed to following very closely to the Constitution of the U.S. is considered "ultra right wing."

Since when is following the Constitution "far right?" The U.S. Constitution should be considered the central starting point of the conversation.

It just shows how the country has veered left and how extreme, far progressively left the democrat party has gone- off the rails.

Pitiful

[-(

teddyballgame wrote:


I suppose his homophobic comments and unfortunately racist statements are in line with the consitution of the founding fathers - in the narrowest possible view.

So maybe your right - he could have been just common right wing.
Rsmith956
10 years ago

"GOP Senate Leader Mitch McConnell said the Supreme Court vacancy should not be filled until there is a new president, the Associated Press reported."

IDIOT!

rfenst wrote:



pretty much the same thing Schumer said in 2007... Funny how they change their tune when the tables are turned...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/14/sen-schumer-senate-can-block-scotus-nominees-for-18-months/ 
teddyballgame
10 years ago

I suppose his homophobic comments and unfortunately racist statements are in line with the consitution of the founding fathers - in the narrowest possible view.

So maybe your right - he could have been just common right wing.

Brewha wrote:




Scalia was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace that bench.

He points out that because of their color, a student is allowed to attend a college that they would normally not make the cut and then they struggle with grades, if not just outright drop out. So he suggests that maybe a college that would be easier to get into, would be a better fit as they would not struggle as much.

Is that racist, or just an astute observation?

To you it is racist, but then to a libby dem, race first and always.

And the S.C. ignored the will of the people...even Cali voted 3 times to not consider marriage between the same sex a marriage.

And guess what? 70% of blacks voted to keep marriage traditional. some 60% of latinos.

So go embrace the LGBT on your own dime and stop foisting it on the rest of us.

Foister!
frankj1
10 years ago
Brewha
10 years ago

Scalia was one of the most brilliant minds to ever grace that bench.

He points out that because of their color, a student is allowed to attend a college that they would normally not make the cut and then they struggle with grades, if not just outright drop out. So he suggests that maybe a college that would be easier to get into, would be a better fit as they would not struggle as much.

Is that racist, or just an astute observation?

To you it is racist, but then to a libby dem, race first and always.

And the S.C. ignored the will of the people...even Cali voted 3 times to not consider marriage between the same sex a marriage.

And guess what? 70% of blacks voted to keep marriage traditional. some 60% of latinos.

So go embrace the LGBT on your own dime and stop foisting it on the rest of us.

Foister!

teddyballgame wrote:


No, Scalia was single minded and narrow visioned. He held that the letter of law was more important than justice.

And when was justice ever as simple as a rule?

And why would you not embrace LGBT?
Does your singular vision of morality dictate it?
Did your god tell you not to?

BTW, the SC is supposed to provide justice, not the will of the people.
As sometimes the people are bigoted....
Brewha
10 years ago

Foistah!

frankj1 wrote:


Groupie....
ZRX1200
10 years ago
At that level the letter should always be more important except in an incredibly rare instance.
frankj1
10 years ago

Groupie....

Brewha wrote:


Goiter?
teddyballgame
10 years ago

No, Scalia was single minded and narrow visioned. He held that the letter of law was more important than justice.

And when was justice ever as simple as a rule?

And why would you not embrace LGBT?
Does your singular vision of morality dictate it?
Did your god tell you not to?

BTW, the SC is supposed to provide justice, not the will of the people.
As sometimes the people are bigoted....

Brewha wrote:




Did the SC provide justice in the Dred Scott case? How about Plessy vs. Ferguson? How about FDR's baby, the Korematsu case?

The law was bastardized in those cases by these "supreme intellects."
Where was your justice?
So many times the S.C. is bigoted- how can that be? The peon civilians are the racists.

I don't care what the gay community does, or the trans, or the bi-s.
But, when that community pushes their agenda and forces everyone to accept it as the new normal, or be called homophobes or that we are Bible clingers, then I have an issue. Trying to pass off transgender/transexuals/ transwhatevers as normal and acceptable and "you better embrace it or else" is reCOCKulous.

And as a side note, are Bi-sexual people put upon in society-when did that happen?

Back to original intent of the judicial system. Justice is supposed to be blind to the parties and follow the law and pass judgements based on the law. We now have the judiciary legislating from the bench.

How is THAT tolerable?

Following the law is what judges are supposed to do. It may not give out the justice that one wants, but when you have judges individually deciding what they think is justice, that is a recipe for lawlessness.
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