Speyside
9 years ago
It is interesting that in Tulsa the protesting has been peaceful. I wonder if this is because the authorities were immediately so transparent with the video, or if they have worked hard on neighborhood relationships, or what?
teedubbya
9 years ago
They just remember what happened in Wichita when they got uppity and stuff.
DrafterX
9 years ago
They got all they wanted back in 1921... 😟
teedubbya
9 years ago
I forgot it was Tulsa not Wichita
DrafterX
9 years ago
I think the police and the mayor being very transparent has a lot to do with no violent riots... and Sharpton hasn't got there yet.. 🤣
frankj1
9 years ago

I was kinda 'wow', too...maybe just one 'wow' and not two, like TW...but huh....

I live in a VERY immigrant heavy neighborhood. Of the 16 houses on my block, I doubt that more than one other family besides ours has been in this country more than 25 years...from all over the world - from Poland to Morroco to the Caribbean to Somalia to Nepal, to Mexico and others. Every single one is very hard working, friendly, respectful....These people, even the second generation 'kids', are working full time or two jobs and I'd be extremely surprised if any one of them could swallow their pride enough to accept something they felt they have not worked for and earned. Honestly, that has been my experience with the vast majority of immigrants that I've ever met.

dstieger wrote:


same experience that I have had.
Abrignac
9 years ago

Anthony - as i already conceded to spey, yes, the thread the statement was made in would make it reasonable for someone to come to that conclusion... thank you for pointing it out again for those who may have missed it on the last page...

As for this:

"That would be nice, but I'm sure the the activists will find another cause to unite behind."

Is that really so bad? If these activists are getting cops who shoot unarmed civilians held accountable - even if it's just one instance of one cop - is that really so bad? I don't agree with violence or looting but clearly not all or even most of these "activists" can be blamed for that...

In the spirit of full disclosure, the Charlotte thing seems pretty cut and dry in my mind, as does the Tulsa thing... Charlotte = guilty armed black man, Tulsa = guilty white girl cop... unlike tw, i like to throw stones before all the facts come in... they can always be picked up later and thrown again at someone else...

opelmanta1900 wrote:




Joel, forgive me if we don't agree, but much of our race problems stem from "good" activists trying to fix problems that aren't nearly as prevelant as they would have you believe. When was the last time someone called themselves an "African-European"?

As far as profiling, IIRC it was Jesse James who said he Rob's banks because that's where the money is. For example, if 95% of burglaries in a given area are being committed by members of a specific race, it's beyond stupid to not focus on that race.
frankj1
9 years ago

That is less of a problem than most realize.

From a LEO's perspective let's take a look at a few things:

Profiling isn't nearly as big a problem as one would suspect, especially in mid-sized and larger municipalities. Here's why. The vast majority of LEO's spend their day responding to calls for police assistance. Take the agency I left in January. In three of the six substations, each officer on patrol will get dispatched to at least 12 calls in a 12 hour shift. Travel time will be about 5 minutes. Time on call will run from 20-30 minutes. Time spent writing a report on that call will be about 10 minutes. On average each call will occupy 45 minutes of the officer's day. So 12 calls * 45 minutes = 9 hours. Add another 45 minutes to sit down for lunch and a couple 15 minute toilet breaks. So that leaves 1 hour and 45 minutes of "play time" right? Nope. Suppose you have to book someone into jail. There goes that play time. In reality the average patrol officer generally will not self initiate any calls because they have very little time to do so.

Those in specialized divisions spend the vast majority of their shifts following up on existing cases.

Not saying it doesn't exist, just no where near as prevalent as most think.

Abrignac wrote:


I understand and agree.

Bear in mind Anthony that I am not one who is claiming we already live in a police state...
Abrignac
9 years ago

What about the secret division that just profiles and harasses people including mr. jones? Denying it exists just verifies its existence.

sd72 wrote:




They are very real. Silly noob, it's on the Internet and you can't lie on the Internet.
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago
Mad crazy ate up with the Soros cash!!!!!!




Abrignac
9 years ago

I understand and agree.

Bear in mind Anthony that I am not one who is claiming we already live in a police state...

frankj1 wrote:




I know. It's a fine line we walk. Some techniques I find abhorrent.

True story. I once had a trustee that worked on one of my crews. One day I asked him why he was in jail. He told me for waving at the police. I'm like "you're full of chit." He tells me that a police officer passed him as he was riding his bicycle. The officer waved at him. He waved back. The officer did a u-turn and told him he was going to write him a summons for not having 2 hands on the handle bars (actual city ordinance). Since he was in a high crime area, the officer patted him down. The guy had a crack pipe in his pocket. The officer arrested him and charged him with the handlebar violation and drug para. Not believing him I pulled up his charges. That's what he was charged with. I pulled up the report and read it. It was well written, but for all intents and purposes the officer's report pretty much echoed what the guy told me. The guy that arrested him has a reputation for chicken**** stuff like that. Quite a few of the ADA's will refuse to bill his cases. Since he's civil service there's nothing that can be done since there isn't anything "illegal" about what he does.
frankj1
9 years ago



As far as profiling, IIRC it was Jesse James who said he Rob's banks because that's where the money is. For example, if 95% of burglaries in a given area are being committed by members of a specific race, it's beyond stupid to not focus on that race.

Abrignac wrote:


you and I are very close on this fine line stuff, but we split at this type of point...

If a town was 95% white, and 98.2% of those proven guilty of recent B & E's (or even armed assaults and hold ups) were white residents, we both know that no one is being stopped and frisked on the street, no one is being pulled over randomly.

They'd have to match a pretty detailed description.


BlackCat13th
9 years ago
i dont think anyone is interested in fixing, stoping, preventing, this situation. everyone only seems interested how to blow it up into a full blown civil war.


damn shame too, the solution is so simple.
frankj1
9 years ago

i dont think anyone is interested in fixing, stoping, preventing, this situation. everyone only seems interested how to blow it up into a full blown civil war.


damn shame too, the solution is so simple.

BlackCat13th wrote:


I heard you were a jinx
BlackCat13th
9 years ago

I heard you were a jinx

frankj1 wrote:




wtf is that supposed to mean?
BlackCat13th
9 years ago

I heard you were a jinx

frankj1 wrote:


oh yeah? well I heard you were a jackalope!

[frypan]
Speyside
9 years ago
So, what is the simple solution?
BlackCat13th
9 years ago
why should i tell you? you already know but you dont wont to do it for some stupid reason. if you wanna know you have to ask correctly.
MACS
9 years ago

why should i tell you? you already know but you dont wont to do it for some stupid reason. if you wanna know you have to ask correctly.

BlackCat13th wrote:



You're an idiot. Go away.
BlackCat13th
9 years ago
what do you hate about idiots? did idiots used to slap you around like a little punkbitch? i know idiots that are far more intellegent than you, homer mah boy.
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