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Cov... depends on where you want to draw the line. If you consider an average politician honest, then sure. But to compare her to the most divisive president elect in history, who will say "I didn't say x" when confronted with a video of him saying x...

I mean... you say lying makes one unbelievable, yet you believe the most divisive president elect ever when he calls her "lying hillary "....

It just stretches my ability to accept that sort of silliness.

victor809 wrote:

I can't come up with the fact that she a liar on my own ? Unlike some on the left or right I am capable of independent thought . The fact that you disregard someone's argument just because it reaches the same conclusion as someone you dislike is illogical a position I'm amused to see you in .

banderl
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9 years ago

#24

You had me at oregonlive.......and not reading the link.

ZRX1200 wrote:

I really don't care if you do or do not read the link.
I just have an aversion to being accused of plagiarization.

victor809
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9 years ago

#25

Capable of independent thought but coincidentally parroting a demagogue...

Covfireman
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9 years ago

#26

How would you prove it was even possible mathematically? I know you'd need the weight if the bullet and the muzzle velocity what else ?

Covfireman
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9 years ago

#27

Capable of independent thought but coincidentally parroting a demagogue...

victor809 wrote:

He was quoting me I've called her that for years . 🇨🇮 you can't discard a fact even when it comes from a source you dislike . You can disprove it but in her case that would be impossible.

On the July 31 edition of Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace played a video montage of several times Clinton said something like: "I am confident that I never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time."

Wallace remarked, "After a long investigation, FBI director James Comey said none of those things that you told the American public were true." ( quoted from politifacts )

When she sent the first email containing a paragraph marked c she sent a classified email . That's a fact . What Comey said was that no reasonable prosecutor would persue it . Notice he didn't say she didn't violate the law just that prosecuting her wouldn't likely be successful. I haven't read her confidentiality agreement but I have saw others for a lower security cleared e that secretary of state she'd be in violation of that . Someone also had to physically transfer that document from a secure system to her server . You can't just email that from the secured system to the non secured it was most likely printed and scanned . Who ever did that committed a crime . Whoever told them to committed a crime . I know from my cleared ce I'd be in levenworth KS and not for a short visit but I admit my prosecution would be under the ucmj differnt rules of evidence .

None the less she lied .

victor809
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9 years ago

#28

Don't see me disagreeing that she did. The question is whether she actually did it enough to classify her as lying hillary, when looking at the pool of politicians she is in. More significantly, I would expect someone who is going to nickname her lying hillary to hold themselves to a higher standard of honesty. This has clearly not been the case.

Covfireman
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9 years ago

#29

So I'm not holding myself to a higher standard than her ? Like I said if I did what she did I'd be in prison best case scenario dead worse case. Ok my death wouldn't be worse case causing others to get killed would .

The fact that all politicians lie doesn't give some a pass to lie . That includes Trump I'm not defending him .

She's always been lying hillary from Watergate , to whitewater, to the foundation, to the speaking fees , but most importantly what was in the 30000+ emails she deleted ? Was the ones marked c not deleted because as hilary said she didn't know they were classified ? And real classified or top secret email deleted ? She's a morally bankrupt person who sole goal was to amass a person fortune for her family .

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victor809
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9 years ago

#30

Meh. There has never been any evidence of anything more than the couple emails identified by comey. Your conviction that she is a morally bankrupt person is simply not based on any actual evidence, just accusations. And it has caused you to support trump who has shown just as much, if not more, moral bankruptcy... because he's willing to scream lying hillary a lot and that makes you feel good. ...

It's fine. This insanity has gotten us trump. Whee.

Burner02
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9 years ago

#31

victor809 wrote:

A couple?

LMAO

ZRX1200
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9 years ago

#32

The same commission that ignored all of the defenses presented evidence to counter the chargers......yes

victor809
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9 years ago

#33

Just because they didn't get the verdict you want doesn't mean they ignored information you think is important. Doesn't mean the information was even important...

banderl
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9 years ago

#34

The same commission that ignored all of the defenses presented evidence to counter the chargers......yes

ZRX1200 wrote:

Well, somebody else decided to indict him.

Covfireman
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9 years ago

#35

victor809 wrote:

I don't support trump .

Her being able to escape conviction doesn't negate her intent to constantly deceive the public . I find that morally bankrupt. I actually agree with most of her stated platforms but could never trust her to carry through with them . . .

The couple of emails are enough . If you can't admit she lied . That's the problem . Why does what trump did or does make her coruption less relevant? It's ignoring things like this from both parties that got us trump .

She lost because of who she was as a person .

I had to go with the Johnson allepo be damned .

victor809
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9 years ago

#36

Cov ... in your deep love, desire and admiration for trump I think you're missing a point.

I said she lied. But when you're going to give someone a nickname "lying x" that implies they lie more, or in a more significant manner, than the other comparables including yourself (yourself being the most divisive president elect ever).... I have not seen any evidence that this is true. It doesn't make her great. But it leaves the taste of manipulation and demagoguery in my mouth every time I hear it repeated over and over from all you people who adore trump.

opelmanta1900
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9 years ago

#37

^spoken like a true closeted hillary lover...

victor809
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9 years ago

#38

... we'll played ...

Covfireman
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9 years ago

#39

victor809 wrote:

I guess we disagree over the significance of human life . Hilarys lies and deceit killed 4 people . I find that signifanct, her lies endangered military and intelligence personal. Sounds significant to me . Her ignoring a subpoena and destroying evidence may have endangered more or lost us the chance to gain intelligence because no one can know what if any classified information she may have sent .

Once again you omit facts in your arguments to make it suit your narrative. I don't adore trump he's probably the 3 worst choice we could have ended up in this cycle .

Lying Hilary being the worst, Cruz next to worst ,then trump . However I am willing to see how he does . Lol so far he "draining the swamp " and refilling it with water that's diseased and stagnant recycled from the regan era that will put this country in another recession like we've never saw .

Why do you hate the truth ?

victor809
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9 years ago

#40

Man... you can't stop adoring trump even for a second huh....
(You'll figure out I'm giving you crap on this eventually)

So. How exactly did a lie of hers kill 4 people? Be specific. What did she say, what was the truth (with some evidence of the truth to show you know what it really is) and how does the difference between the lie and the truth kill the 4 people.

To be fair, I don't apply much significance to human life.. you did get that correct .

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