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DrMaddVibe
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#41

Cause...effect? dunno...he's quite the enigma...

delta1 wrote:

You whiny little butthurt man.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#42

That's it?

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Stinkdyr
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#43

As I recall there was great fear of the filthy Irish invaders coming in legally and illegally and stealing jobs and ruining neighborhoods etc.

teedubbya wrote:

That they did!

🇨🇮

Stinkdyr
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#44

The difference ... Multiculturalism at its finest.

Why anyone feels we can import poorly educated and untrained members of societies whose culture is stuck in the dark ages and expect a different result is beyond my comprehension.

gummy jones wrote:

U jus need an Illiberal Lefty to esplain it to uze betta!

🍺

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TMCTLT
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#45

The difference is that sharia is not compatible with western thought or freedom.

We can draw all the examples we want but no other group is the same and it's not even close.

The results are crime ridden no go zones in historic parts of once great European countries. Multiculturalism at its finest.

Why anyone feels we can import poorly educated and untrained members of societies whose culture is stuck in the dark ages and expect a different result is beyond my comprehension.

gummy jones wrote:

Very well said, and why we cannot....WILL NOT look to Europe and see it unfold there and do our damndest to keep it from happening here is also beyond comprehension.

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#46

All for fair immigration .....let the state department consider all who wish to come here legally. I do not find it fair that a disproportionate group find favor unless it is based on skills that will help build the country.
Best
Q
PS I am still bewildered how we train PhD and Master students ,a number who wish to stay,and then make it difficult for them to obtain green cards.

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#47

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#48

The difficulty is blending two or more cultures so vastly different into a given country. The US succeeds in a number of cases due to our history, population and the size of our country,in addition to other factors.Trump spoke apparently thinking of a program he watched,yet will Swedish immigration succeed in time? I think the road will be quite difficult, given the problems in France ,Germany and the Netherlands which appear to have more diverse populations than Sweden etc.
Q

TMCTLT
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#49

qmech wrote:

I think you'd get a completely different story line if the people affected by this unfettered migration of people unvettable were told rather than their media.

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#50

The Irish,Italian etc. immigrants of long ago had it rough. Yet with no safety net , they worked as a group and individually, sometimes took it on the chin and prevailed.They also had things in common with the citizen like being from Europe, which helped(not too alien) . Religiously speaking Protestant vs Catholic charged some, however the divide between those living in the USA beforehand and the American immigrants from around the turn of the century (1900~+/-50yrs) is less broad in some respects when compared to those coming in from the middle East and the average American today. The reason we are not seeing quite the same level of overt animosity is the culture, laws , institutions and times etc. have changed. On the other side communication,trade, commerce ,travel etc. being what it is today, has brought the world closer together making for closer ties even with the great differences. Countries or regions that were once relatively isolated have greater access to outside ideas and are quite influenced by the west. These interesting play of ideas and perspectives helped me determine that I am for immigration from all parts of the world; If done responsibly and with care. Sad to say both sides are to charged politically to get it done properly.
Q

TMCTLT
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#51

I grew up in a VERY diverse neighborhood in Sag. MI. where virtually every race and ethnicity was represented....there were NO enclaves of just one race or ethnicity. And these people did not / were not allowed in unless they could prove that they could support themselves and their families if they had one. We now seem willing to let ANYONE from ANYWHERE in without knowing who they are, if they're capable of supporting themselves so as NOT to become dependent on society for their day to day needs. Our nations original migration laws and plans worked great....and I'm a fan of " if it isn't broke....why fix it "

Migrants to this country used to understand that THEY were the ones looking for a better life HERE and were willing to assimilate....that does not necessarily seem to be the case any longer in many instances. Thus we have enclaves of foreigners who have changed NOTHING....other than their address.

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qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#52

TMCTLT
I do believe we often get one voice from established media; who have their own agendas. The PC crowd bends backwards to appease many who violate their own code to the point of absurdity. Still I am not an ideologue and view both charged sides with skepticism. In the end I believe only a nation of laws that are properly reinforced can survive. At the same time the strong rhetoric of those who fear immigration; Central American, muslims etc. is not my fight either. For one I thought the proposed Bush program for guest worker cards was an interesting partial solution (with a few tweaks) and it was hammered by right and left ideologues fearing this and that.
Q

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#53

TMCTLT,
I alluded to what you are saying earlier. It was sink or swim before... Yes the welfare state etc. Multiculturalism, PC etc. have greatly influenced the behavior you describe. One of the problems of the left is their "good intentions" often do not weigh cost to benefit properly..
Q

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#54

Ideologues seek their own perfections... I for one do not believe humans or our culture are
perfectable.. no Star Trek delusions here.
Q

TMCTLT
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#55

We seem to be very much on the same page my good man 🍺 ....if only those we elect and those in the media weren't so interested in their own agendas...#-o

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#56

Here here
Q

qmech
Aficionado

9 years ago

#57

At least I think so...one never knows.

See I am a bit of a Skeptic 😁😁😁😁without going overboard but even here I am skeptical!!😁😁😁😁
Best
Q

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#58

so what does it take to get in?

MACS
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#59

so what does it take to get in?

frankj1 wrote:

IMO: Do so legally. Support yourself. Follow our laws.

An immigrant, having contributed nothing to the tax base, is entitled to absolutely no tax based assistance until they have contributed to it, and become a citizen. If non-gov't funded charities wish to assist them, great.

CITIZENS needing assistance for college should receive it BEFORE an immigrant.

I think that is 100% fair.

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#60

MACS wrote:

i actually was asking what it takes to get in the right way. Illegal is illegal.

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