victor809
9 years ago
So what's the long term plan?

(And you do realize that generally as a species we get better at things as we do them... right?) Every technology we have ever created has been expensive and inefficient at the beginning and we find better and cheaper ways of accomplishing it. But if we don't do it we won't overcome that learning curve....

But I like the boldness of your plan... it's gonna cost a lot and isn't going to have a large impact, so let's wait for a miracle to fix the problem. ... you don't happen to have a plan b of "ask people to pray for a better environment" do ya?
DrafterX
9 years ago
Why can't we have a plan without paying for the world's plan too... we're limiting our emissions and stuff... 😟
MACS
9 years ago
Ah, Victor... didn't read the whole article, did you? If you did... (you didn't)... you would not have missed the solution provided.

"To solve global warming, we need to invest far more into making green energy competitive. If solar and wind generation and storage were cheaper than fossil fuels, it wouldn’t be necessary to force or subsidize anyone to stop burning coal and oil.

Research for Copenhagen Consensus shows a green energy R&D fund worth just 0.2 per cent of global GDP would dramatically increase the chance of a technological revolution. This would be significantly cheaper and much more effective than the Kyoto-Paris approach. Economists calculate returns to society of around $11 for every dollar invested."
victor809
9 years ago
I'm not sure I understand how his approach is significantly different then.

MACS
9 years ago

I'm not sure I understand how his approach is significantly different then.

victor809 wrote:



Significantly CHEAPER. Return on investment, dude... that second part I highlighted for you.
victor809
9 years ago
... I understand ROI.. the part I'm not sure I understand is that the Paris accord is just a carbon reduction goal. It doesn't specify how that reduction is achieved. My understanding is that it's just a self selected goal for reduction (the number isn't even forced on us, we choose it)... hell theres no penalty for failure..

With that in mind, why wouldn't investment in green energy R&D by a country or group of countries help achieve that goal? If it has a higher ROI then why would it have to be mutually exclusive?
MACS
9 years ago
I'm not sure where it's 'mutually exclusive'.
victor809
9 years ago
He says it was good to pull put of the Paris accord and wants to do this instead.

Why?

Why wouldn't he have just suggested doing that as a way of meeting the goals of the Paris accord.
opelmanta1900
9 years ago
Cuz **** the french.... freedom accord!
frankj1
9 years ago

He says it was good to pull put of the Paris accord and wants to do this instead.

Why?

Why wouldn't he have just suggested doing that as a way of meeting the goals of the Paris accord.

victor809 wrote:


cuz no one knows what the Paris Thingy really says, but if Obama liked it, it's gotta go.
DrafterX
9 years ago
They shoulda all agreed to look for CROS.... 😟
MACS
9 years ago

cuz no one knows what the Paris Thingy really says, but if Obama liked it, it's gotta go.

frankj1 wrote:



Personally I'm still not sold on us being able to control the climate at all, so you'll pardon me if I don't want to waste trillions trying.
frankj1
9 years ago

Personally I'm still not sold on us being able to control the climate at all, so you'll pardon me if I don't want to waste trillions trying.

MACS wrote:


not sure the accord makes us do that
deadeyedick
9 years ago
All we really need to do is get VW involved in the measurement of emissions. Makes about as much sense as the Paris Accords and a lot cheaper.

According th Bill McKibben we are already screwed and it will take thousands of years to rectify.
bgz
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9 years ago
Up until now (and still now)... I wasn't sure what to think about Trump pulling out of Paris (lol had to).

Anyway, I found this link that was written last year some time:

http://www.heritage.org/testimony/paris-climate-promise-bad-deal-america 

Well written paper, valid points from a legal stand point, and I'm fairly certain that Trump made the right call.

As it sat, it was pretty much our job to fund this shindig, where I'm not convinced that the money sent would be going anywhere except hard core liberal organizations where the actual money gets buried in operating costs and never reaches it's intended target.

I'm also of the opinion that I've stated plenty of times that the economy will work itself out as alternative energy sources become more profitable than traditional sources.

Also, from my understanding, and this is a big one... WE"RE STILL IN A FKING ICE AGE, THE PLANET IS HISTORICALLY A VERY WARM PLACE.

Because of that, temperatures are going to rise no matter what, because that's what happens when you are coming out of an ice age.

Anyway, that's all I got.
MACS
9 years ago

I'm also of the opinion that I've stated plenty of times that the economy will work itself out as alternative energy sources become more profitable than traditional sources.

bgz wrote:



That is basically what Bjorn Lomborg of the Copenhagen Consensus Center is saying. Put more effort into R&D of alternatives, and as soon as they become cheaper... BAM, we'll be on it like white on rice.
bgz
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9 years ago

That is basically what Bjorn Lomborg of the Copenhagen Consensus Center is saying. Put more effort into R&D of alternatives, and as soon as they become cheaper... BAM, we'll be on it like white on rice.

MACS wrote:



It won't matter though, because we're still coming out of an ice age and the planet will still get warmer.
DrafterX
9 years ago
Somewhere in this thread I mentioned the 'Cool It'
movie...

http://www.cigarbid.com/Forum/c/posts/652475/p/7/Climate-Change-and-The-Paris-Agreement 

Same guy Macs is talking about.. movie is only like 1 Hr 15 min... 😟
MACS
9 years ago

It won't matter though, because we're still coming out of an ice age and the planet will still get warmer.

bgz wrote:



Or worse... a solar flare fires off in our direction and incinerates the planet.
bgz
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9 years ago
^ya... not much we can do about that one.
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