teedubbya
9 years ago
And no one knows more about what we should do with Germany that German Americans, Ireland, UK, Italy, etc..... don't even get me started on afrika.
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teedubbya
9 years ago
And I have to be honest, I've not spoken to a large number of Cubans. But if the press says they all favor trump then in this case I believe the press.

Just pokin ya tail. I do believe they are pro embargo (as long as they are exempted to an extent)

I honestly don't feel strongly on this one. It makes sense to lift it but I admittedly don't know all that much on the issue.
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frankj1
9 years ago
far from an expert, but over the last 10 years or so I've read that the aging Cubans in FL, the ones with the most political clout, agree with the embargo...and that is certainly understandable.

But they are demographically a minority now among Cuban Americans.

Another thing getting old is reading more about objections to the Hate Trump mentality than actually reading Hate Trump stuff!

Love ya buddy.
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teedubbya
9 years ago
Frank that's a pretty good point. The Cuban embargo has been a pretty non partisan thing in here to the point that some gave credit to Obama even though they still thought he wasn't born here. To equate not supporting reinstating bans/embargo to trump hate rings hollow, almost as if you must support everything he does or you are a hater. Sounds like a patriots fan. Lol.
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teedubbya
9 years ago
Again just jacking around. It's Father's Day. Carp die yum etc.
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DrafterX
9 years ago
In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.... 😟
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rfenst
9 years ago

In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.... 😟

DrafterX wrote:




Do you get to fluck them all?
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SmokeMonkey
9 years ago
My International Relations major is coming out - Our policy for Cuba is the last vestige of the containment strategy used to "defeat" communism during the Cold War. I'll be the first to admit I don't have a strong opinion either way. I've bought CCs, even recently, but choose to purchase more NC's due to personal taste preference. While Cuban Americans are certainly more knowledgeable on the subject, they are also the group that will react more emotionally as the victims of nationalization of industry and property and the brutality of the regime in Havana. I'm not sure they should be the deciding factor regarding our policy. But they should absolutely have a seat at the table.

My gut tells me that lifting the embargo would affect change more rapidly in Cuba, but it may not be, in the short term, a positive economic move for the Cuban people. It certainly would be a boon to American business, however. Maybe slower change would be better for the long term stability. Not every nation reacts well to sudden freedom, both politically and economically.

As with all things, it's a complex issue. And shouldn't be particularly partisan. I was on with Obama's liberalization of the travel and economic restrictions. Im equally ok with Trump rolling some back.

That's a lot words to basically say "meh, whatever."
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delta1
9 years ago

Do you get to fluck them all?

rfenst wrote:



dunno... but Trump says you can at least grab their puzzies...




But I find the Hate-Trump-no-matter-what mentality to be getting old already.

tailgater wrote:




...but you were OK with the hate Obama-no-matter-what mentality for 9 plus years...the Trump hating has only been going on for two years...buckle your seat belt...
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rfenst
9 years ago

But they should absolutely have a seat at the table.

My gut tells me that lifting the embargo would affect change more rapidly in Cuba, but it may not be, in the short term, a positive economic move for the Cuban people. It certainly would be a boon to American business, however.

SmokeMonkey wrote:



Ending the Embargo will be great for American business interests.
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frankj1
9 years ago

dunno... but Trump says you can at least grab their puzzies...






...but you were OK with the hate Obama-no-matter-what mentality for 9 plus years...the Trump hating has only been going on for two years...buckle your seat belt...

delta1 wrote:


I hate to speak for tg, and I hate to defend him even more (HA!) but he really wasn't on autopilot with the hate Obama crowd. Really did not like him as Prez but was more likely to say provocative funny stuff when being negative than some of the vicious stuff thrown around for nearly a decade.

Joe is more of a "typical libs..." commentator, and I know he's laughing as he types.
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frankj1
9 years ago

Ending the Embargo will be great for American business interests.

rfenst wrote:


Rubio is with Trump (and the older Cuban-American power brokers) on this I believe.
Anyone know Cruz's position?

Just curious to see what might have been...
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delta1
9 years ago

I hate to speak for tg, and I hate to defend him even more (HA!) but he really wasn't on autopilot with the hate Obama crowd. Really did not like him as Prez but was more likely to say provocative funny stuff when being negative than some of the vicious stuff thrown around for nearly a decade.

Joe is more of a "typical libs..." commentator, and I know he's laughing as he types.

frankj1 wrote:



yea...but it just makes it more difficult to say mean things about Trump when some people you know and like are Trump supporters...my daughter, wife and SIL are Trump die-hards so we avoid talking politics to maintain harmony...I come here to blow off steam...to express myself in a safe place...


Rubio is with Trump (and the older Cuban-American power brokers) on this I believe.
Anyone know Cruz's position?

frankj1 wrote:



I think he's been busy trying to clear his father's name...
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gummy jones
9 years ago
Just smoked a Cuban. Castro himself took a break from enslaving his people to roll this one.
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tailgater
9 years ago

Frank that's a pretty good point. The Cuban embargo has been a pretty non partisan thing in here to the point that some gave credit to Obama even though they still thought he wasn't born here. To equate not supporting reinstating bans/embargo to trump hate rings hollow, almost as if you must support everything he does or you are a hater. Sounds like a patriots fan. Lol.

teedubbya wrote:



Actually, it's kinda the exact opposite.

It's not about supporting everything he does.
It's about how quickly people come out to oppose his position. Even when his positions shifts (which as been the case all too often) those who opposed his first position are now in opposition to his opposite stance.

The embargo is a subject on the back shelf in most American's minds.
People have opinions on it, but it's not typically a strong one.
Nobody chastised Bush or Clinton or Bush before him, etc. because of their indifference on the embargo.
Suddenly Trump does something and people are complaining.

This is a cigar forum. We're anti-embargo by definition.
But if Trump removed the embargo tomorrow, many of the same talking heads blasting him today would blast him tomorrow for his actions.
You can take that to the bank.

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rfenst
9 years ago

Anyone know Cruz's position?

Just curious to see what might have been...

frankj1 wrote:



Anti-Castro/Pro-embargo I'd bet.
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tailgater
9 years ago




In the meantime, I'm not saying Trump's decision is the right one.
I've long thought that the embargo should be lifted and I would welcome an opportunity to visit there regardless of who their leader is. I approved of Obama's slow efforts towards that end.


.

tailgater wrote:



Yup.
These are my words from this very thread.

Yet I get accused of following in step with Trump.

THIS is why it's difficult having adult conversations with the Trump haters. When you guys rant, if someone simply shrugs you see red. You need others to believe everything Trump does is bad.

I posted that Trumps decision may not be a good one, and said I agreed with Obama.
Yeah, I can see how you got confused simply because I provided a different perspective elsewhere in my post.

LOL!
At least we understand each other now.

Next thing you know I'll need one of the liberals to defend me...
🇨🇮


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frankj1
9 years ago

Yup.
These are my words from this very thread.

Yet I get accused of following in step with Trump.

THIS is why it's difficult having adult conversations with the Trump haters. When you guys rant, if someone simply shrugs you see red. You need others to believe everything Trump does is bad.

I posted that Trumps decision may not be a good one, and said I agreed with Obama.
Yeah, I can see how you got confused simply because I provided a different perspective elsewhere in my post.

LOL!
At least we understand each other now.

Next thing you know I'll need one of the liberals to defend me...
🇨🇮


tailgater wrote:


like that'll ever happen!
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dstieger
9 years ago


As with all things, it's a complex issue.

SmokeMonkey wrote:



WAS a complex issue. Up until the day that the Soviet Union collapsed. Since December 25, 1991, it has been about...and ONLY about votes (and donor cash) in Florida.
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rfenst
9 years ago

WAS a complex issue. Up until the day that the Soviet Union collapsed. Since December 25, 1991, it has been about...and ONLY about (and donor cash) in Florida.


dstieger wrote:



Amen.
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