Specifics, Flynn and Manafort are now listed as foreign agents. They did not do this initially. At various intervene they said they had not met with Russians. On Kushner security clearance paperwork he listed no meeting with Russians, he has since amended his paperwork. Trump junior first said his meeting was about adoptions and he had no previous knowledge who he would be meeting with. Then he said it was about adoptions and sanctions. The email trail clearly shows he knew in advance that the meet was about dirt on Hillary that the Russians could provide. I suppose I should comment on naive and silly, how about meh.

[quote=Speyside]Did they do something illegal? Flynn and Manafort not registering as foreign agents, maybe. Kushner not listing his meeting with a Russian, probably not. Sessions, probably not. The others highly doubtful. Did they lie, yes.[/quote]

Then what's the big deal?

Are we to be a world full of Polly Anna's and believe that there isn't a politician or a political aide who has never told a lie, or provided misleading information?

Are we to believe that no politician or a political aide has ever met with a foreign national and/or agent received information about their opposition?

The fact that this is such a big deal is a joke. I would bet this type of crap happens very frequently. Not that I condone it, but for God's sake to call someone treasonous for doing what the people you support have done is abso*****inglutely redickyouless.

Jeez.....

That's what is so *****ed up with our nation. It seems everyone condones bad behavior as long as it's their guy/girl doing it.

[quote=Speyside]Specifics, Flynn and Manafort are now listed as foreign agents. They did not do this initially. At various intervene they said they had not met with Russians. On Kushner security clearance paperwork he listed no meeting with Russians, he has since amended his paperwork. Trump junior first said his meeting was about adoptions and he had no previous knowledge who he would be meeting with. Then he said it was about adoptions and sanctions. The email trail clearly shows he knew in advance that the meet was about dirt on Hillary that the Russians could provide. I suppose I should comment on naive and silly, how about meh.[/quote]

What's your point? Do you believe that Bill and Loretta talked about their grand kids on the tarmac?

Jr. got caught in a lie. Obviously you're not so naive to think he's the first one to ever tell a lie?

I have not called anyone treasonous. I said they lied. Nor has Hillary ever been my people. I will say emphatically Hillary should not be president. I hope she fades away. I will say just as emphatically Trump is our president through election. If you do not think that people who lie at the very top of our government is a problem I don't think you will ever understand my point of view or that I will ever understand your point of view.

Would you stop assuming I am good with the Democratic lies and dirty deeds, I am not.

[quote=Speyside]I have not called anyone treasonous. I said they lied. Nor has Hillary ever been my people. I will say emphatically Hillary should not be president. I hope she fades away. I will say just as emphatically Trump is our president through election. If you do not think that people who lie at the very top of our government is a problem I don't think you will ever understand my point of view or that I will ever understand your point of view.[/quote]

Sorry I wasn't clear. You never called him treasonous. I was referring to those in the media. My fault for not being clear about that.

I have a huge problem with those at the top of our government lying to us. For that matter, I have a problem with anyone lying to me.

Perhaps I'm just too cynical. Too me, it's wasted breath as I don't see it ever ending.

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[quote=Speyside]Would you stop assuming I am good with the Democratic lies and dirty deeds, I am not.[/quote]

Point taken

there is simply no reason, other than deflection, to be mentioning Democrats right now.

wait this out.

The main reason I feel so strongly about the lies is that in my opinion they have greatly damaged the Democratic party and the Republican party. I agree with you that nothing is likely to change.

Yall think we have / had a democratically elected president? I thought you guys were supposed to be old and wise and stuff...

[quote=frankj1]there is simply no reason, other than deflection, to be mentioning Democrats right now.

wait this out.

[/quote]

No deflection meant Frank. I'm pretty sure we've been lied to. My point is it didn't just start a year or so ago. In my book two wrongs still don't make a right.

However, its a very slippery slope. Don't think for a moment that if anyone goes down, there won't be a giant sucking sound of many others on both sides going down with the ship as well.

[quote=frankj1]there is simply no reason, other than deflection, to be mentioning Democrats right now.

wait this out.

[/quote]

but Democrats are the only ones talking about it... 95% of the news broadcast even.. they fail to mention the Hillary camp meetings with the Ukrainian gubment tho.... 😟

and most here won't address the issue in front of us.

and I've seen lots of commentary from elected GOP

I can't make excuses for him.. I stated earlier his head should roll if he's guilty... but over look history and blow this out of proportion is kinda silly too... he screwed up.. he didn't break any laws...

Why is Hillary off limits..?? Why did everyone look the other way when she actually broke laws..?? the hypocrisy runs deep... 😟

they are all (or at least most) self serving liars and generally despicable people. i wish God would raise up a remnant of people who were truly virtuous and normal to lead this country.

No one normal would want to be in politics.

[quote=Speyside]No one normal would want to be in politics.[/quote]

which is a shame because career politicians were never the intent

our gov was founded with citizen statesmen

Term limits would be cool.... but you got people like Pelosi convinced she's the only one in the world who could do her job... 😟

[quote=DrafterX]Term limits would be cool.... but you got people like Pelosi convinced she's the only one in the world who could do her job... 😟[/quote]

her job is "be crazy" right?

there are a lot of crazies...