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jjanecka
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9 years ago

#101

The problem is that regulating the minority will only cause the minority come back and regulate once they are the majority. That's the whole problem with censoring people. Once you repress someone you will find yourself repressed.

jjanecka
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#102

In this context I mean the minority party not the dumb@ss antifa people or the klan or nazi skinheads all those organizations need to be purged from our midsts.

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#103

I left out that squelching the media leaves the emerging fascist with little criticism. So scary that this prez pushes that agenda.

frankj1 wrote:

If trump is squelching the media, he's doing a horrible job at it. You ever see the CNN RSS feed? They might as well change their name to 24/7 Trump Bashing Channel.

IMO the left generally pushes more fascist ideals than the right. I don't think many people really understand what it means, I mean the closest type of government to fascism is communism. The word is really overused in their talking points.

Let's be honest, fascism requires a group of people with their eye on the prize working together... does that sound more like Trump or the leftist elite?

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Speyside
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

9 years ago

#104

Frank, you are right, the appropriate place for the statues is in a museum, or art institute. I am mortified by the hate that still exists in our society. I wish we had moved beyond that, but seeing it in the light of day reminds me to never forget, and we must never allow it to happen again due to apathy. I saw a piece on the news where the local rabbi was interviewed. His point of view was very moving and emotional to me. They literally locked down their Torah, and a holocaust Torah for fear of desecration.

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#105

jjanecka wrote:

I agree, the most vile and disgusting speech needs to be protected. Without that, the system fails.

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#106

I agree, the most vile and disgusting speech needs to be protected. Without that, the system fails.

bgz wrote:

I'm on record supporting that

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#107

bgz wrote:

yup, he is doing a horrible job at it. But might you agree it is his goal?

and the closest to fascism has been nazism.

Edited by user 9 years ago | Reason: Not specified

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#108

yup, he is doing a horrible job at it. But might you agree it is his goal?

and the closest to fascism has been nazism.

frankj1 wrote:

To be honest, it's tough for me to tell what his goals are half the time. As far as the media goes, he's always on the defensive, usually because of his awesome orating skills, so I don't know if I would really say it's his goal.

I'll agree that he probably wishes he could make it happen, but I'm pretty sure he understands that it's not a plausible solution, so he has to resort to misdirection just like every other politician... and he's not very good at that either.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#109

The instant he claimed real news stories were "fake news" using the platform of the presidency he started a campaign of discrediting the news. Have you forgotten the whole "alternative facts" bs?

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#110

Well, reporters have gotten sloppy since the advent of blogs and being pressured to pump out content fast by their superiors. So he's not wrong from a certain point of view.

What's that old saying, don't attribute to malice that is sufficiently defined by incompetence... or something like that.

I would say there's quite a bit of that on many sides :D

Anyway, I have faith the system will shake out all the bugs some day... doubt it'll be in my lifetime though.

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#111

I nodded "yes" at 128, 129 and 130.

However, I also think his stated admiration of Putin as a leader, his previous remarks about the smarts of Fatty Fat and more have been less about being a fan and more about wishing he had the same unilateral powers...like if he was, say, the head of a family corporation?

He is irritated that our way of life hopes to prevent a power grab like that.

bgz
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#112

frankj1 wrote:

He could definitely use a little more tact and a lot less haste.

Checks and balances are a good thing no matter who's in there.

gummy jones
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#113

frankj1 wrote:

all of these holier than though rich folks and politicians think they are much smarter than us and want unilateral power. they know what is best for us. that went for obama the same as trump and pretty much every president before them

i have a feeling the next president will be cut from the same mold

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#114

gummy jones wrote:

I enjoy when I can agree with guys like you and BGZ.
I'd like to add though that though they all would love unilateral power, none from either side that I can think of threw tantrums before.

TMCTLT
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#115

I enjoy when I can agree with guys like you and BGZ.
I'd like to add though that though they all would love unilateral power, none from either side that I can think of threw tantrums before.

frankj1 wrote:

Well @ least our current president and first lady didn't attend ( for 20 yrs.) a racist America hating church....they do have that going for them. 🙂

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#116

I thought he was a Muslim.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#117

I do agree that those who ascend to power become blinded by it, both Dems and GOP. I also agree that the wealthiest in our society don't care all that much about which party is in power since they basically own the system. The law of the land, since Citizens United, is that corporations are people too and that money is a form of free speech. Politics has taken a serious slide towards those who can pay ever since, regardless of D and R party affiliation. There are some fine differences but they are marginal...

The bright side is that the American tradition of independence, robust individual freedom, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press and a strong healthy functioning (for the most part) tripartite form of government protects us from a power grabbing wannabe dictator. However, we should be cognizant that we have conditions that allow an oligarchy to develop...some may argue it is happening already...

That's a more real fear...greater than the threat of a fascist system like the Nazi regime under Hitler coming to power in the US.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

9 years ago

#118

Only when it's convenient to the narrative.

And a "racist America hating church"... I've yet to see any evidence of that.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#119

Nazis and pedophiles... two things that i really thought our entire country could come to agreement were bad.

But no.

Next week... Trump tweets "Jared from subway was bad... really bad... but no one is talking about those bad 12 year olds... they're bad too!"

On Thu, Aug 17 2017, 1:51 PM victor809 wrote wrote:

DAMMIT!!! I WAS SO RIGHT!!!!

This was before the Moore debacle broke...

Edited by user 8 years ago | Reason: Not specified

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#120

facing west and bowing

that's eerie.

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