frankj1
8 years ago

TL Caren is always invited.

I don't care WHO the 'tards identify with, they don't represent me as a conservative.

MACS wrote:


well said. but they certainly are not liberals.
now if only cons would stop referring to libs as all buying in to objectionable stuff, we could be great again.

two way street.
frankj1
8 years ago

Did you consider they voted for Trump because Hillary sucked.. it's not like they had another option... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


first choice was Bannon, but he didn't run

HA!
MACS
8 years ago

well said. but they certainly are not liberals.
now if only cons would stop referring to libs as all buying in to objectionable stuff, we could be great again.

two way street.

frankj1 wrote:



If it truly was a two way street, liberals would be denouncing antifa and blm, just like they want conservatives to denounce nazis (which most of us do, btw). No... they hold them up as social justice warriors.

They're not.
rfenst
8 years ago

first choice was Bannon, but he didn't run

HA!

frankj1 wrote:




Whatttttt???
Abrignac
8 years ago

Maybe I was raised differently, but I always believed there were certain people it was considered "appropriate" and "pro-american" to punch.... Nazis... child molesters... the homeless (ok, the last one is a joke because I know one of you azzholes would say it anyway). Sure, if you punch a nazi or a child molester it's still legally wrong and you should accept legal ramifications, but morally you're justified. because they're nazis. I mean, they were our last great unequivocal evil....

Well, apparently the nazis are upset about this...

William Fears told the Sun that he believed James Fields, who drove his car into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, wasn’t unjustified. He also said alt-right movement supporters were “pushing back” against leftist supporters.

“It’s always been socially acceptable to punch a Nazi, to attack people if they have right-wing political leanings,” Fears said. “Us coming in and saying we’re taking over your town, we’re starting to push back, we’re starting to want to intimidate back. We want to show our teeth a little bit because, you know, we’re not to be taken lightly. We don’t want violence; we don’t want harm. But at the end of the day, we’re not opposed to defending ourselves.”


When did these bits of slime start thinking they were allowed to crawl out from under their rocks?

http://www.gainesville.com/news/20171020/three-charged-in-shooting-after-spencer-talk 

victor809 wrote:



So what you are really saying is freedom of speech is ok as long as the person exercising that right has views compatible with your own?
Speyside
8 years ago
It is such a shame that hate groups try to affiliate themselves with liberals or conservatives. To me being liberal or conservative has nothing to do with hate. It is also a shame that the news media legitimize them with air time. We must allow them free speech, lest we lesson our constitutional rights, but we don't have to give them larger platforms. Also if they break the law arrest them.
victor809
8 years ago
Anthony.

First... freedom of speech is referring to governmental restriction on speech. I am not the government. I firmly believe the government (and government supported institututions) should not restrict speech.

Second.. freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. There are things someone may say to you which you find acceptable to punch them for (for instance anything relating to your wife or kid) You're not restricting their freedom of speech you're just getting an assault and battery charge.

This isn't hard to understand. And all this equivocating over it is making these ****bags more bold. They're convinced they own the president right now.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Says who..?? Just cause you think that doesn't mean they do. speculation at best.. . 😟
MACS
8 years ago
Right... freedom of speech (kneeling during the anthem) is not free from getting you fired, or free from millions of people to quit supporting your employers.

Consequences.
victor809
8 years ago
And I've never said otherwise macs. I've said that was between the players and the owners and the president should stay the fxxx out (because guess what? He's the government.. once he gets involved it starts to reek of government pressure)
tailgater
8 years ago

JJ, BS, you throw that out there, provide some proof or shut up! Your comment is offensive and you never back it up. Nazis are filth who would like to be part of the extreme right. They support Trump, they are white nationalists and so on. They are not accepted by any political or philosophical groups. I am tired of your idiotic comments. Back them up with facts.

Speyside wrote:



Nazis hate certain people for reasons that are irrelevant to politics.
Labeling them under a political faction serves no purpose, except to bait and troll.

You obviously have your panties in a knot because jj deflected their filth to the left. Then you clearly label them "right".
Don't be that person.





MACS
8 years ago

And I've never said otherwise macs. I've said that was between the players and the owners and the president should stay the fxxx out (because guess what? He's the government.. once he gets involved it starts to reek of government pressure)

victor809 wrote:



Stating his opinion is gov't pressure? No.

Using his position to do something... you know, such as auditing them with the IRS and stuff... that would be bad.
Brewha
8 years ago

Right... freedom of speech (kneeling during the anthem) is not free from getting you fired, or free from millions of people to quit supporting your employers.

Consequences.

MACS wrote:


Right - people gotta know they place.

Hell, some folk don’t even knows they gotta sits at da back of duh bus....
victor809
8 years ago
MACS... Gonna disagree with you there. A president stating their personal opinion is not "personal" any longer. A president does not have the same freedoms that an average citizen has. All other presidents recognized that, and you recognized it a couple years ago when you were angry at Obama for expressing his opinion about a cop who stopped a professor coming home.

When a president says something negative about a company (media?) An organization, another country, at trade agreement or even a person that carries with it the threat that there will be some government involvement. You liked it when Trump said this bullcrap about NATO or nafta... that same thing you like about him wielding his "power" in those cases is the same crap he shouldn't be doing when it has to do with citizens statements.
MACS
8 years ago
Don't presume to tell me what I recognize.

Obama had an opinion I disagreed with. Please tell me when I ever complained he was using his power as president to do anything? I didn't.

You can disagree with Trump all you want. When he uses his power (as Obama did with the IRS) let me know.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

MACS... Gonna disagree with you there. A president stating their personal opinion is not "personal" any longer. A president does not have the same freedoms that an average citizen has. All other presidents recognized that, and you recognized it a couple years ago when you were angry at Obama for expressing his opinion about a cop who stopped a professor coming home.

When a president says something negative about a company (media?) An organization, another country, at trade agreement or even a person that carries with it the threat that there will be some government involvement. You liked it when Trump said this bullcrap about NATO or nafta... that same thing you like about him wielding his "power" in those cases is the same crap he shouldn't be doing when it has to do with citizens statements.

victor809 wrote:



Wait...what???[frypan]
victor809
8 years ago
Macs... I'm pretty sure I read you saying it was inappropriate that Obama state his opinion on that police officer. Maybe it was someone else. It was a commonly stated thing in this forum at the time.

I'm pretty sure the IRS thing is a bunch of bs... not only that there's no credible link to Obama. So... not sure where you're getting news....
Brewha
8 years ago
I have my (FOX) theories.....
Speyside
8 years ago
TG, after cooling down, my statements today reflect that hate groups are just that. Neither left nor right. ANTIFA wants to associate with liberals, but they just hate. Nazis want to associate with conservatives, but they just hate.
frankj1
8 years ago

If it truly was a two way street, liberals would be denouncing antifa and blm, just like they want conservatives to denounce nazis (which most of us do, btw). No... they hold them up as social justice warriors.

They're not.

MACS wrote:


can only speak for this lib, but I will agree and denounce violent tactics of the fringe left and other fake political representation on either side.

I will, however, support nonviolent protests by even the most despicable groups among us.

I reserve the right to support violence against oppressive government, for whatever good it would do us.
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