Gene363
8 years ago

Why do I care?
Because it's phenomenally embarrassing to be associated with a species which does this.... over and over and over again.

And are you really calling a prayer that this is the last mass killing a "gimme" prayer? Seriously? that seems pretty selfless to me... but no one does it. Hell, do a search of this forum... I'd bet you wouldn't find a single person praying that we've seen the last mass killing. Lots and lots of "prayers for those who were killed" or "prayers for their families"... nobody even actually cares enough to take a couple seconds to ask their personal deity to not have it happen again.

It smells of false sympathy to me.

victor809 wrote:



Yup, as I said, life is not all fun and games. I cannot speak for others but I'd bet there are plenty of prayers made by posters here that will never appear on this forum. Some might even be for you.
DrafterX
8 years ago

Macs you seem to be less and less about personal responsibility.

Yes we did. Drafter posted it in here and folks followed suit. WE didn’t have to make it political. No one forced us to. We chose to.

Don’t blame the politicians for our actions.

teedubbya wrote:





I'm sorry... 😞




but I knew it would get political even if it shouldn't... 😟
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

I'm sorry... 😞😟

DrafterX wrote:




Meh.


You weren't the failed comedian or actor or politician that did that. Nobody even mentioned them yet by name.

Walk it off.


It was a tragedy created by a mentally ill person that got their hands on something that the Air Force failed to acknowledge. Oh how the lawsuits are gonna come down like rain.
TMCTLT
8 years ago

So I'm gonna be honest... threads like this are irritating.

I'd read an opinion piece on cnn which sort of trended this direction, but it was really whiny and pro gun controlly and crap so I'm not gonna link it.

but there's a message which shouldn't be ignored.

We don't really care.

honestly, I don't think we should care. And I'm fine with us not caring.

but threads about "praying for the victims" or "thoughts and prayers" and all that crap is simply bullsh$t lip service.

This was an unfortunate incident which we don't really care about outside of being glad it didn't happen to anyone we know.

Perhaps some people care... those who are trying to actually change something to make sure it doesn't happen again. But I don't think they are spending their effort in a worthwhile manner. They may care, but through caring they're mostly doing things which will restrict the rights of people who didn't get killed.

But be honest. If all you're doing is typing "prayers go out" or even actually praying... you don't really care.

I'm sorry to be blunt, and I'm sure some here will call me an azzhole. But I'm just tired of this crap. It's happened a number of times before. It will happen a huge number of times in the future. You know this, I know this. To know this and do nothing is fine.... we have a lot of human lives, we can lose a whole bunch without any impact on the world. But to know this, pretend to be sad about it, but still not actually try to change any behavior, any laws or anything at all... that's just weak.

victor809 wrote:




The quick answer to your Atheist problem assholio.....just leave. If praying for others is " undoing you " just leave.
Moreover..what the hell makes YOU think you know how or what people are praying for and rather or not they mean it? Just because they didn't quote a passage from the good book for YOU to read / piss on....doesn't mean they didn't say a silent yet meaningful prayer for others whom they don't even know. Your conceited so your reaction to this comes as no real surprise.

con·ceit·ed
/kənˈsēdəd/

adjective

1. excessively proud of oneself; vain. synonyms: vain, narcissistic, self-centered, egotistic, egotistical, ... more
Speyside
8 years ago
Victor, most here DGAF what you think when it comes to prayer and positive thoughts. If it makes the individual praying feel better I find this good. If it gives the individual asking for prayers comfort I find this good. I expect that you DGAF also.
delta1
8 years ago
I agree that most of you here DGAF about victor's opinion, and that is your prerogative.

but he makes a valid point...we as a nation have largely become complacent to mass murders, and have accepted them, however heinous and horrific, as part of our culture...just as it has become part of our culture to mouth the phrase "thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families"

At one point in my life, each of these incidents really bothered me...maybe because I feared that I would be confronted with such a tragedy in my working life. We spent countless hours doing workplace violence, hostage situations and active shooter training when I was working, so I was continuously thinking about those scenarios. My interactions with colleagues and students at work told me that they were frightened of the possibility that such incidents could happen, and thankful that they were taught some possible survival techniques.

Since my retirement and with fewer personal interactions with large numbers of people, the safety for whom I was responsible, I have become less affected by these incidents...just as I think most Americans have become numbed by them, for their own personal reasons. We've only talked about keeping homicides down, and want our police to catch the murderers, but we've never seriously considered homicide prevention, mostly because we've accepted that some Americans are going to commit murders and there's nothing we can do about it.
delta1
8 years ago
apologies if I offended anyone...I didn't mean to say that we have become shallow...it is in our culture to also say "happy birthday" "cheers" "get well soon" "I love you" at appropriate times, and many people really mean it even if they say those things often...
Speyside
8 years ago
No offense taken, but I was only talking about his opinion on prayer. As I said in another post sometimes he makes me rethink my point of view on something, and that is a good thing. Also many times I agree with his opinion.
victor809
8 years ago
Spey... notice I said "thoughts and prayers". People who aren't religious do the same dumb thing... this pretending to care about the victims who they don't know... while also showing no interest in doing anything to ensure there arebt future victims they don't know.

We don't really care. The statements are no more than a "happy birthday".
DrafterX
8 years ago
🤔
so, 'they prolly had it coming' would be more appropriate..?? 😕
Speyside
8 years ago
Missed that. My point is if it makes someone feel better then that is a good thing. That could be the person praying or having positive thoughts. Or the person that requested positive thought or prayers. If it is just lip service in either direction then I agree with you.
victor809
8 years ago
Yeah... but given that it's unlikely that either the dead people or the family members/friends of the dead people will read anything posted here... then it's just masturbatory.
dstieger
8 years ago

... then it's just masturbatory.

victor809 wrote:



So....even if true....why let it bother you?

I admit that I, too, think it's a bit silly...ineffective....self serving, maybe? IDK...but certainly harmless....and if a quick toss makes a guy feel better, who am I to GAF....much less complain about it ...If he starts leaving his prayer spunk on your shower walls, then take him aside in private and let him know you're 'irritated'...otherwise, I think its ok to stfu about it
Gene363
8 years ago

I agree that most of you here DGAF about victor's opinion, and that is your prerogative.

but he makes a valid point...we as a nation have largely become complacent to mass murders, and have accepted them, however heinous and horrific, as part of our culture...just as it has become part of our culture to mouth the phrase "thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families"

At one point in my life, each of these incidents really bothered me...maybe because I feared that I would be confronted with such a tragedy in my working life. We spent countless hours doing workplace violence, hostage situations and active shooter training when I was working, so I was continuously thinking about those scenarios. My interactions with colleagues and students at work told me that they were frightened of the possibility that such incidents could happen, and thankful that they were taught some possible survival techniques.

Since my retirement and with fewer personal interactions with large numbers of people, the safety for whom I was responsible, I have become less affected by these incidents...just as I think most Americans have become numbed by them, for their own personal reasons. We've only talked about keeping homicides down, and want our police to catch the murderers, but we've never seriously considered homicide prevention, mostly because we've accepted that some Americans are going to commit murders and there's nothing we can do about it.

delta1 wrote:



Not really, the issue get sidetracked by the control crazies that cannot defend themselves and want everyone to be just as defenseless as themselves. Throw in the ACLU as well as valid medical privacy protections then mix in a few defense lawyers and nothing changes. Wait, there is more, the 24 hour news always make superstars out of a POS that murders people and providers them with a scoreboard so they can compete in a death cult. They repeat their names and display their pictures and endless stream that only encourages others.

https://nonotoriety.com 

People are not totally numb, concealed Carry permits are being issued in record numbers in stats where the citizens are still free.
MACS
8 years ago
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/14/murder-rates-drop-as-concealed-carry-permits-soar-/ 

Interesting read. I wonder if rates dropped in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC where laws restrict the law abiding.
DrMaddVibe
8 years ago

People are not totally numb, concealed Carry permits are being issued in record numbers in stats where the citizens are still free.

Gene363 wrote:




The President humbles a rather idiot reporter with some facts.

“Well you’re bringing up a situation that probably shouldn’t be discussed too much right now,” Trump said. “We could probably let a little time go by, but it’s okay if you feel that’s an appropriate question even though we are in the heart of South Korea.”

I am so glad the "Apology Tour" is over!
Gene363
8 years ago

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/14/murder-rates-drop-as-concealed-carry-permits-soar-/

Interesting read. I wonder if rates dropped in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, and DC where laws restrict the law abiding.

MACS wrote:




They did, the statistics points are now 100x instead of 10x per point. 🤦
Gene363
8 years ago

The President humbles a rather idiot reporter with some facts.

“Well you’re bringing up a situation that probably shouldn’t be discussed too much right now,” Trump said. “We could probably let a little time go by, but it’s okay if you feel that’s an appropriate question even though we are in the heart of South Korea.”

I am so glad the "Apology Tour" is over!

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Absolutely and I'm guessing Japan and (South) Korea are both pretty happy too.
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