ZRX1200
8 years ago
Franken didn't resign. Yet
victor809
8 years ago

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".

Stop me when I run out of proof.


this isn't subjective. It's not rumor nor innuendo.
She did these things.
You can argue that it's no big deal. But THAT would be subjective.

Moore isn't yet "guilty".
Based on the accusations and the response and the facts at hand, it would be enough for Republican Tailgater to NOT vote for him. That would be MY choice. But I can't go as far as to condemn others who may support him. Maybe they know more than I do. Or maybe they have other reasons. Or maybe they just follow party lines.

Either way, your statement rings false.
Nobody said what you're claiming.

tailgater wrote:




Mhmm... it's "proof" of their guilt when it's a dem.
they haven't been found "guilty" yet when it's a rep. Same sh#t tail.

Found guilty an punished in our court system is a very specific thing. Neither Clinton nor Moore have been found guilty in our court system. Doesn't matter if you're convinced there's "proof" or not.

However, some here want clinton locked up without first demanding a trial.
Ironically and hilariously it's a lot of the same people who don't think a handful of people saying he tried to bad touch them when they were kids, another handful mentioning having to keep him away from kids, AND Moore himself discussing how he met his wife on tape... is sufficient to find the guy more repulsive than letting a democrat win a seat at congress.

I've yet to hear a single liberal site demand Moore's incarceration. They're just going to keep mocking republicans for voting for a pedo.
Abrignac
8 years ago

Mhmm... it's "proof" of their guilt when it's a dem.
they haven't been found "guilty" yet when it's a rep. Same sh#t tail.

Found guilty an punished in our court system is a very specific thing. Neither Clinton nor Moore have been found guilty in our court system. Doesn't matter if you're convinced there's "proof" or not.

However, some here want clinton locked up without first demanding a trial.
Ironically and hilariously it's a lot of the same people who don't think a handful of people saying he tried to bad touch them when they were kids, another handful mentioning having to keep him away from kids, AND Moore himself discussing how he met his wife on tape... is sufficient to find the guy more repulsive than letting a democrat win a seat at congress.

I've yet to hear a single liberal site demand Moore's incarceration. They're just going to keep mocking republicans for voting for a pedo.

victor809 wrote:




Quit being obtuse Victor.

Last I recall:

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
Wasn't there an FBI probe that acknowledged this as true?

She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
See above

Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".
Still speculation, but it's looking that way.
tailgater
8 years ago

Mhmm... it's "proof" of their guilt when it's a dem.
they haven't been found "guilty" yet when it's a rep. Same sh#t tail.

Found guilty an punished in our court system is a very specific thing. Neither Clinton nor Moore have been found guilty in our court system. Doesn't matter if you're convinced there's "proof" or not.

However, some here want clinton locked up without first demanding a trial.
Ironically and hilariously it's a lot of the same people who don't think a handful of people saying he tried to bad touch them when they were kids, another handful mentioning having to keep him away from kids, AND Moore himself discussing how he met his wife on tape... is sufficient to find the guy more repulsive than letting a democrat win a seat at congress.

I've yet to hear a single liberal site demand Moore's incarceration. They're just going to keep mocking republicans for voting for a pedo.

victor809 wrote:



I don't think I said anything about guilt.
I just stated facts because they were somehow in question.

You and I agree that Moore is at best a creep.
You like the pedo moniker. And maybe that will prove correct.

It's just funny that you're backing a side that:
A: hasn't been proven
and
B: has been shown to use lies.


I like it when a case is made without proven lies.

tailgater
8 years ago

Quit being obtuse Victor.

Last I recall:

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
Wasn't there an FBI probe that acknowledged this as true?

She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
See above

Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".
Still speculation, but it's looking that way.

Abrignac wrote:



"Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law!"
-OJ

victor809
8 years ago

Quit being obtuse Victor.

Last I recall:

Hillary deleted emails prior to an investigation.
Wasn't there an FBI probe that acknowledged this as true?

She illegally used a private server for government purposes.
See above

Her foundation paid for the Russians to create a "Trump Dossier".
Still speculation, but it's looking that way.

Abrignac wrote:



come on anthony. You're police. You know the procedure.

There are a lot of steps between investigation and locking a person up.
The FBI decided to stop after the investigation step.
The declined to file charges against her
This means there was no trial
This means there was no opportunity for a defense
This means there is no "locking a person up"

Same sh3t as with Moore, except no one is demanding he be locked up. People are just shocked that someone thinks a pedo is more representative of their republican values than a democrat. That's all voting is

victor809
8 years ago

I don't think I said anything about guilt.
I just stated facts because they were somehow in question.

tailgater wrote:




Stop me when I run out of proof.

tail wrote:


Proof of what? One doesn't list a bunch of things one believes to be illegal and then call it "proof" unless one is trying to claim proof of guilt.


You and I agree that Moore is at best a creep.
You like the pedo moniker. And maybe that will prove correct.

It's just funny that you're backing a side that:
A: hasn't been proven
and
B: has been shown to use lies.


I like it when a case is made without proven lies.



What lies so far have been shown to be used?

And ironic that you should say the other side doesn't use lies.
I know it wasn't posted here, in this bastion of "fair and balanced" news... but you did see the failed Veritas sting on the Washington Post right? There's some indication that Moore knew about that.
teedubbya
8 years ago
I’m sure glad I’m not defending Hillary or Moore. I think some folks need a shower.
ZRX1200
8 years ago
Someone pushed Comey to change wording, fact.

Same person who had their hands in A LOT of happenings with political ramifications.....
teedubbya
8 years ago
What are you responding to or trying to say?


This part not to zrx

I hate hillary. I’ll talk bad about her as much as you want. I think Franken etc are creeps. As a Republican, it’s easy for me st speak I’ll of dems. But when a Republican is scummy or wrong and I say something that makes me a dem.

And there are a bunch of folks in here that seem to think any accusations against a dem are true or proven ignoring any cracks while looking for any crack in accusations against a Republican to prove everything totally false?

Do you really beleive every institution and every thing is stacked for the dems and against the republicans? While the republicans control the entire government? Did or do you really beleive in the birther or other conspiracies?

teedubbya
8 years ago
The push to discredit mueller is disgusting
teedubbya
8 years ago
By the way any of the wording against Hillary was inappropriate at the time and unprecedented. It possibly cost her the election, that and being a bad candidate with years of baggage. There should have been no wording waterd down or not. And I’m glad mueller moved the agent when there was even an appearance or perception of lack of objectivity. Trump was mad at sessions for doing similar.


Hillary is a scum who doesn’t deserve to be elected dog catcher. I’m not sure how that helps Moore or president pvssy grabber.
Abrignac
8 years ago

come on anthony. You're police. You know the procedure.

There are a lot of steps between investigation and locking a person up.
The FBI decided to stop after the investigation step.
The declined to file charges against her
This means there was no trial
This means there was no opportunity for a defense
This means there is no "locking a person up"

Same sh3t as with Moore, except no one is demanding he be locked up. People are just shocked that someone thinks a pedo is more representative of their republican values than a democrat. That's all voting is

victor809 wrote:



Well aware of the procedure. But, look at the context of the posts I responded to and you'll notice my response fits in that context.
teedubbya
8 years ago
Dems want to beleive and give benefit of doubt to dems but not to Republicans. Republicans want to beleive and give benefit of doubt to reps but not to dems. To the point both will suspend reality and really look silly. They funny part is they see how silly the other side is but not their own.

I think folks in here actually beleive they are being non biased or non partisan. For those that realize there are not but just like the bare knuckled fight I’m cool with that. I used to be that way as well. I just don’t see a use for it now.
victor809
8 years ago

Well aware of the procedure. But, look at the context of the posts I responded to and you'll notice my response fits in that context.

Abrignac wrote:




The context (at least as I understood it) in this thread is that one side wants to "lock her up". They use terms like "guilty" and "illegally", terms which imply specific action regarding courts. These are words which imply that the entire list of steps I mentioned have been completed and completed with a very specific outcome.

I know I am more aggressive about this than TW is comfortable with, but I do believe there is a point where you stop believing you have anything in common with a person, or are ideologically aligned in any way. I believe the burden of proof for this is significantly less than that necessary to "lock her up!!!". It appears to me that there is enough "smoke" that I would be unwilling to ideologically align myself with someone like Moore (note, this is a factor of both the crime and the amount of evidence. I would require more evidence before I would not ideologically align myself with someone who, for instance, was accused of stealing a bottle of key lime water. Because if I accidentally align myself with a key-lime-watter-thief, that's slightly less bad than accidentally aligning oneself with a pedo or nazi).

TL/DR - if someone uses the words "lock her up" they should be showing verdicts, not half-baked claims of conspiracy or incomplete investigations. Hell, I don't even think anyone should be yelling "lock trump up". But voting for someone is in many ways more personal. You are not saying "they agree with the law" you're saying "they align with my values"
teedubbya
8 years ago
Well it is proven Hillary committed lots of crimes and neither Trump nor Moore have. That’s just a fact.
victor809
8 years ago

Well it is proven Hillary committed lots of crimes and neither Trump nor Moore have. That’s just a fact.

teedubbya wrote:



Definitely a Fact. Capital F fact. Not a fact, which we relegate to less certain ideas like "theory of gravity" (ITSATHEORY!!!) or "maths"....

It's also a Fact that she was going to be put in federal pound-me-in-the-azz prison until Obama had sex with comey to convince him to let it slide. We know this is a Fact because comey got the Kenyan strain of gonorrhea.
teedubbya
8 years ago
None of this changes the fact that Democrats are way smarter than Republicans and have managed to have absolutely everything rigged all the way back to the time of Obama’s birth and secretly want the Republicans to control all three branches while they really control things.

It’s beautiful.

Abrignac
8 years ago
Hopefully, the IG will sort this mess out............
teedubbya
8 years ago
Have you ever worked with the IG abrig?
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