DrafterX
8 years ago
Gotta do both... Especially if the dreamers get a path to citizenship... The floodgates will open... 😟
Speyside
8 years ago
I have always felt that slipping the cash flow, illegal employment, would be the best solution to stopping the incentive for illegal aliens to be here. Quacker, the stratigic defense initiative put a huge cash burden on communism and was one of the causes of its downfall. Also peristroika and glasnost allowed Gorbachev a way out of the coldwar. In May of 1988 Reagan spoke of his support of this during a speech to Russian students before a summit meeting with Gorbachev in Russia.
delta1
8 years ago
Canada has expressed outrage that people are streaming into their country from their southern border with the USA.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3696080/misinformation-illegal-crossing-canada-wrong-information-campaign/ 



I heard they are talking about building a wall, and getting funding for it through a re-negotiated NAFTA. One government source said PM Trudeau called the US a sh!*thole...
deadeyedick
8 years ago

How is that not a fair portrayal of the negative consequences of our current immigration system?

I think there's very common sense immigration reform that can be passed, but it takes one side admitting that there are some absolute monsters coming across the Mexican border... they're Mexicans and they're criminals and they're destroying our society...

And then the other side has to agree there are also some really good people coming across the Mexican border... they're Mexican and they are just trying to escape the monsters that live in Mexico and protect their children from being around or becoming one of those monsters, and it's our charge as a nation under God to show mercy to those people...

Problem is that most of America apparently finds one of those statements of truth horrifically offensive...

opelmanta1900 wrote:



Maybe we can show some mercy to our neighbors but without total control where does it stop. Why single out Mexico? A large % are coming from other South American countries. Does your mercy stop there? How about Asia? Middle East? Africa? I'm sure they are also full of good people who only want a better life be it due to wars, famine, economic conditions.

If the USA was not geographically tougher to reach we would by now be experiencing millions of illegals flooding in like Europe is.
teedubbya
8 years ago
I'm for securing the boarder in any and every way possible, deporting those that come here illegally quickly, punishing employers that hire illegals, and making legal immigration easier while drastically increasing the number of legal immigrants we let in.

That last part makes the first three even stronger. If there is a readily accessible legal way to get in without draconian limits or quotas then I'm absolutely for no mercy for those that don't go through the right processes.


Cutting legal immigration is absurd to me and just an effed up political charade.



I'm also amazed how selective folks are in supporting Reagan.
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victor809
8 years ago
So... I think the wall is idiotic. But whatever... people get hung up on symbols... as if a wall will protect them

Interesting story (probably not)... the woman's best friend is/was an illegal immigrant. She was a brazilian model who came to the US on a student visa and overstayed her visa by some extraordinary amount... we were all living in DC at the time, she couldn't go back to brazil because she knew if she left the country she couldn't come back for a long while... she was dating a guy seriously and didn't want to lose that... and meanwhile she was working as a table-girl at a club in DC (you know... spend 400$ and get a bottle of vodka and a table at a club, these girls come around and make sure you have everything you need while wearing short shorts and high heels)...

Long story short... she eventually solved her problem by marrying a restaurateur in DC... gets the expensive condo downtown, gets to quit her job and actually go back to school... you know, taking bll0wjob jobs from hard working american women. Well, she divorced him almost immediately after she got her citizenship. ... moved to miami to party with richer men.

Long story short... this isn't china in 400BC (or whenever)... a wall doesn't stop illegal immigrants.
banderl
8 years ago
The orange idiot knows the truth about this.
He had hundreds of illegal Polocks working on one of his buildings in NYC.
Pretty sure that they didn't come from Mexico.
delta1
8 years ago
^^^#26

nuh uhh...ummm.....uh huuuuhhhh...



^^^#27

Poland is not a sh*!hole
Kawak
8 years ago

I have always felt that slipping the cash flow, illegal employment, would be the best solution to stopping the incentive for illegal aliens to be here. Quacker, the stratigic defense initiative put a huge cash burden on communism and was one of the causes of its downfall. Also peristroika and glasnost allowed Gorbachev a way out of the coldwar. In May of 1988 Reagan spoke of his support of this during a speech to Russian students before a summit meeting with Gorbachev in Russia.

Speyside wrote:



Branch out a little Spey and Neutered, It started in Poland and other Warsaw Pact countries because no matter where you are Liberty and Freedom will always be the driving force. Thank goodness Gorby was in power at the time. Putin would have launched jets.

Who Really Tore Down the Berlin Wall?


By Christopher A. Preble

This article appeared on Rare on November 14, 2014.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/who-really-tore-down-berlin-wall 


Twenty-five years ago this week, the world watched as the Berlin Wall, one of the most enduring symbols of the Cold War, came down.

American mythology often credits Ronald Reagan with the Wall’s collapse, as if its concrete crumbled under the shattering power of his rhetoric. During Reagan’s speech at the Brandenburg Gate, he famously implored, “Mr.Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”

The reality in the autumn of 1989 was more complicated. The speech had occurred more than two years earlier, and the Wall wasn’t actually Gorbachev’s to tear down.

The East German government had no plans to do so. And yet the Wall fell. In The Collapse: The Accidental Opening of the Berlin Wall, Mary Elise Sarotte tells the story of who actually did the deed, and why. It is a story of courage and persistence in the face of a brutal police state, with a dash of bureaucratic incompetence thrown in for good measure.

I think President Reagan would approve.

Pressure from the outside helped to break open Eastern Europe, to be sure. It is true, for example, that international institutions such as the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, and its Helsinki Final Act of 1975, had set the stage for a slow but inexorable expansion of human rights behind the Iron Curtain in the late 1970s and into the 1980s. Gorbachev then pushed through a number of reforms in his own country, and those reforms had been copied in a few Warsaw Pact countries.

Meanwhile, other Western leaders, including West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, and his Foreign Minister Hans-Deitrich Genscher of the Liberal Party (FDP), had sought practical ways to allow more East Germans to emigrate to the West.

Still, it was not inevitable that the Wall would come down in the autumn of 1989. Not all Soviet satellites were happy with Gorbachev’s glasnost, and several were determined to resist — with violence, if necessary.


AND, from the liberal bibles,

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/opinion/reagan-at-the-wall.html 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/06/12/tear-down-this-wall-how-reagans-forgotten-line-became-a-defining-presidential-moment/?utm_term=.fc7b5c44cdb4 
teedubbya
8 years ago
the cold war and arms race coupled with funding OBL and crew had nothin to do with nothin
Speyside
8 years ago
Quaker, do you ever have an original thought, or do you just cut and paste. That's an op ed. Not facts, an opinion. But it seems critical thinking is beyond you.
Speyside
8 years ago
Quaker, it is nice that you now realize that liberals are correct, even if you quote one that doesn't give Reagan proper credit.
Kawak
8 years ago

Quaker, it is nice that you now realize that liberals are correct, even if you quote one that doesn't give Reagan proper credit.

Speyside wrote:




Just FYI, I'm not religious and I don't eat oatmeal...
Speyside
8 years ago
Though I consider you as informed as a Quaker I will switch to another name to call you. Quacker. Since you are noisy like a duck, and make as much sense as a duck does. Quacker it is.
Kawak
8 years ago
Nice try dum dum. Spelling is hard...
Speyside
8 years ago
Meh, you are boring. Can't you find a witty comeback? No, that isn't fair. Your double digit IQ is limiting. Keep up the good work. You are definitely a 38 percenter.
Speyside
8 years ago
BTW, I was referencing the "inner light" you surely must see. Because your POV makes no sense to me.
Kawak
8 years ago

BTW, I was referencing the "inner light" you surely must see. Because your POV makes no sense to me.

Speyside wrote:



Again...nice try dum and dummerer
Speyside
8 years ago
Mamma used to say stupid is as stupid does. Though I do like you can't fix stupid.
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