And I in the other hand would feel better if I had my trusty 45 in my side. Different strokes for different folks. Great thing about America

paulkeck wrote:

And what if a plane landed on my house...that would suck as well. I mean you do realize there are a crap load of states including the one I love in now that allow c.c and open carry? I don't see them getting shot down in the streets and ive seen first hand a good Samaritan holding bad guys at fun point and not get blown away. Its also taught in the class. Neutralize the threat. Unload and set your weapon down.

paulkeck wrote:

I am curious though..... did all the regulation on sudafed do anything to meth production.... I'm being serious here. don't know the answer.

teedubbya wrote:

If they took out the shooter before the police arrived it wouldn't be an issue.. that is the point after all... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

Seeing how the meth epidemic is reaching staggering numbers I would guess no.

paulkeck wrote:

LOL I carry my CZ legally. I wish I didn't have to apply and be registered. Don't take my comments wrong.

I've not been in a shootout with a human before bus suspect from the simulations I do on the range its harder than it looks to decipher who the bad guy is and decide to shoot before being shot. Put a lot of people in that situation at the same time and look out. It's true even in war.

so ya.... when the gunshots go I hope others know im the good shooter not the bad one in the fog... and at that point the plane is already there

teedubbya wrote:

It's a debate that will continue for a long time. I just hate that we are in my opinion discussing the wrong issue.... Take the football away from the 1000s of kids because Billy is a f*cking idiot and hits the kids in the head with it. I hate hearing no one needs it. Yeah but I'm a God Fearing Amercian that lives an honest life. Why should I and the countless others get punished for the sick few. Change needs to be made but not with guns. You can say make them harder to get but who does it make it harder for? Sure as Heck not the sicko with a itch to scratch. Who suffers with these laws? The ones that will obey them.

paulkeck wrote:

pistols shooting back in this case at an ar.... shaken out of teaching a class to getting your gun and tracking down the killer.... or maybe just getting lucky with a clear shot.... maybe. not so much.

more likely huddling and hiding with the gun out just in case and making the decision to shoot or not shoot if someone enters your room.

any active shooter training has rushing or attacking the shooter as the last resort whether you are armed or not.

teedubbya wrote:

It's a debate that will continue for a long time. I just hate that we are in my opinion discussing the wrong issue.... Take the football away from the 1000s of kids because Billy is a f*cking idiot and hits the kids in the head with it. I hate hearing no one needs it. Yeah but I'm a God Fearing Amercian that lives an honest life. Why should I and the countless others get punished for the sick few. Change needs to be made but not with guns. You can say make them harder to get but who does it make it harder for? Sure as Heck not the sicko with a itch to scratch. Who suffers with these laws? The ones that will obey them.

paulkeck wrote:

I agree with you there. We agree more than disagree. And I am a contrarian. When I see an argument thats easy to punch holes in I do. I can't help it.

But in this topic I really don't know the answer. I hate having a problem that I can't propose a solution.

I do think there are probably some gun regulation that could minimize things. Size of magazines could be one. I dunno. I'm actually more in listening mode. Don't mistake poking holes in things as not considering them and seeing the response. I can be convinced. I can be convinced for more regulation or that there is no need. I'm just looking for a good argument that compels me.

I've not seen it on either side.

teedubbya wrote:

One thing I don't particularly care for is the open carry law... If I was a bad guy the dude sporting a weapon would be my first target.. or if I just needed a gun I'd just take it from him when he turned his back.. concealed carry is ok with me... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

And I get that.
But what if it could be shown that restricting guns reduces shooting deaths.
Would that be a sacrifice you wouldn't be willing to make?

HuckFinn wrote:

Hey I'm all for reasonable discussion, and if we could actually trust the government, any of them Republicans or Democrats it would be much easier to discuss. Problem is we can't....we can't trust That they won't abuse the laws they set forth or find loop holes to add in that gives them the right to do whatever.. Hell look at the patriot act. Point is that is why I am against any more fun laws...find a cure for the illness. Research what's changed...hell make them more expensive if you must but banning the AR15 is going to do nothing other than give them a new gun to ban the next time.

paulkeck wrote:

I'm in NH......today I was in Walmart and there was a woman with a bright pink gun sticking out of the back of her pants.....there were people all around her, some bumping into her trying to get by......she had her cell phone to her ear yakking away to someone and searching through a bin of items, and she was totally oblivious to the world around her......those were my exact thoughts, I could grab that gun and shoot up thr place, and she wouldn't be able to react to it in time to stop me..........when my wife and I got outside I asked her if she had seen it, and my wife said she had the exact same thought.........and my wife is the most non-violent person I know, so if she noticed it and had those thoughts, i'm sure a lot of the more violent people in the world would have no problem taking advantage of the situation

RMAN4443 wrote:

I don't know the laws there but here in Texas you have to have a 2 stage holster.

paulkeck wrote:

not here, and I don't

I use a n82 tactical... very simple but I love it

teedubbya wrote:

Germany took guns away from their citizens as did Russia how did that turn out.....but that couldn't happen here because of the constitution.....oh wait I think they spoke about that in there somewhere

paulkeck wrote: