Gene363
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8 years ago
This time line is going to make some people angry and other sad, but here it is:

“Feb. 5, 2016: a Broward Sheriff’s Office deputy is told by an anonymous caller that Nikolas Cruz, then 17, had threatened on Instagram to shoot up his school and posted a photo of himself with guns,” miamiherald.com reports. “The information is forwarded to BSO Deputy Scot Peterson, a school resource officer at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.” Yes, you read right . . .

the same Scot Peterson who stood outside the school for four minutes while Nikolas Cruz shot and killed 17 students and wounded 14 others knew Cruz’s intentions to commit a spree killing almost two years to the day before Cruz launched his attack.

In November 2017, “a caller from Massachusetts calls BSO to report that Cruz is collecting guns and knives and could be a ‘school shooter in the making.'” The Herald reports that an unidentified Broward Sheriff’s Office Deputy “advises the caller to contact the Palm Beach sheriff.” And . . . that’s it.

The fresh revelations add fuel to the pyre of the FBI, the federal agency that failed to act on specific, credible information warning them that Nikolas Cruz planned on attacking Marjory Douglas Stoneman High School.

In fact, the deadly shooting was the end result of a cascade of government failure. The Herald compiled a timeline of the missed opportunities to intercept the spree killer and remove him from society. That is, the ones we know about so far . . .

Feb. 5, 2016: A Broward Sheriff’s Office deputy is told by an anonymous caller that Nikolas Cruz, then 17, had threatened on Instagram to shoot up his school and posted a photo of himself with guns. The information is forwarded to BSO Deputy Scot Peterson (the same officer that failed to act during the shooting), a school resource officer at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Sept. 23, 2016: A “peer counselor” reports to Peterson that Cruz had possibly ingested gasoline in a suicide attempt, was cutting himself and wanted to buy a gun. A mental health counselor advises against involuntary committing Cruz. The high school says it will conduct a threat assessment.

Sept. 28, 2016: An investigator for the Florida Department of Children and Families rules Cruz is stable, despite “fresh cuts” on his arms. His mother, Lynda Cruz, says in the past he wrote a racial slur against African Americans on his book bag and had recently talked of buying firearms.

Sept. 24, 2017: A YouTube user named “nikolas cruz” posts a comment stating he wants to become a “professional school shooter.” The comment is reported to the FBI in Mississippi, which fails to make the connection to Cruz in South Florida.

Nov. 1, 2017: Katherine Blaine, Lynda Cruz’s cousin, calls BSO to report that Nikolas Cruz had weapons and asks that police recover them. A “close family friend” agrees to take the firearms, according to BSO.

Nov. 29, 2017: The Palm Beach County family that took in Cruz after the death of his mother calls the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office to report a fight between him and their son, 22. A member of the family says Cruz had threatened to “get his gun and come back” and that he has “put the gun to others’ heads in the past.” The family does not want him arrested once he calms down.

Nov. 30, 2017: A caller from Massachusetts calls BSO to report that Cruz is collecting guns and knives and could be a “school shooter in the making.” A BSO deputy advises the caller to contact the Palm Beach sheriff.

Jan. 5, 2018: A caller to the FBI’s tip line reports that Cruz has “a desire to kill people” and could potentially conduct a school shooting. The information is never passed on to the FBI’s office in Miami.

Feb. 14, 2018: Nikolas Cruz attacks Stoneman Douglas High. Peterson, the school’s resource officer, draws his gun outside the building where Cruz is shooting students and staff. He does not enter.

Note: this timeline does not include the 39 times Broward County cop responded to complaints about Mr. Cruz’s behavior.

During the CNN gun control “Town Hall,” Sheriff Israel told NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch, “I understand you’re standing up for the NRA and I understand that’s what you’re supposed to do. But you just told this group of people that you are standing up for them. You’re not standing up for them until you say, ‘I want less weapons.’” The crowd cheered.

Given the importance of armed defenders in our schools, what we now know about Sheriff Israel’s department and the civility of CNN’s kangaroo court, the crowd should have booed. Before Sheriff Israel started speaking.


cacman
8 years ago
Clearly it was the gun's fault!
dstieger
8 years ago
clearly....and the fault of the armed resource officer
[sarcasm]


what a cf.....the unemployment rate should see a spike...whole lotta officials (at all levels) should be looking for new jobs
victor809
8 years ago
I agree this "resource officer" dropped the ball.
But I'm not sure his job was to intervene during a school shooting. I think anthony has some knowledge of what a resource officer is expected to do at a school, but I was under the impression they are more to make sure kids aren't dealing drugs or little things like that.

Would it have been great if he chose that moment to be a hero? yeah... that would have totally been his moment.

But I don't really see a problem with this timeline.
dstieger
8 years ago


But I don't really see a problem with this timeline.

victor809 wrote:



not one?
cacman
8 years ago

I agree this "resource officer" dropped the ball.
But I'm not sure his job was to intervene during a school shooting. I think anthony has some knowledge of what a resource officer is expected to do at a school, but I was under the impression they are more to make sure kids aren't dealing drugs or little things like that.

Would it have been great if he chose that moment to be a hero? yeah... that would have totally been his moment.

But I don't really see a problem with this timeline.

victor809 wrote:


Maybe not in his job description, but possibly a moral responsibility to help his fellow man? Obviously he is not a Veteran.

The resource officer should be at least demoted to sitting behind a desk as obviously that's all he is good for.
victor809
8 years ago

Maybe not in his job description, but possibly a moral responsibility to help his fellow man? Obviously he is not a Veteran.

The resource officer should be at least demoted to sitting behind a desk as obviously that's all he is good for.

cacman wrote:



I don't really disagree there. It was his one opportunity to really be a hero, and he chose not to take it. A job where there may be gun fire is possibly not the best fit for him.
victor809
8 years ago

not one?

dstieger wrote:



where do you see a problem?
dstieger
8 years ago


But I'm not sure his job was to intervene during a school shooting.

victor809 wrote:




"Broward Schools Superintendent has lambasted Peterson over his reaction to the shooting. “I’m in shock and I’m outraged to no end that he could have made a difference in all this,” Runcie said Thursday. “It’s really disturbing that we had a law enforcement individual there specifically for this reason, and he did not engage,” he said."
teedubbya
8 years ago
I feel bad for him.
dstieger
8 years ago
The superintendent?
teedubbya
8 years ago
no the resource officer. he had to see all the carnage, right or wrong he made decisions he has to live with, he probably feels horrible and there will be a scapegoat pig pile on him nationally. He should be on suicide watch. Poor man. Prayers for him.
dstieger
8 years ago
I sorta got the "he called it in and secured the perimeter.....blah blah blah" ...but I've dismissed it until/unless I get more 'mitigating' info -- as it is now, I consider him a coward who might well have saved some lives if he'd done his job...or even just done what's right
teedubbya
8 years ago

I sorta got the "he called it in and secured the perimeter.....blah blah blah" ...but I've dismissed it until/unless I get more 'mitigating' info -- as it is now, I consider him a coward who might well have saved some lives if he'd done his job...or even just done what's right

dstieger wrote:




I agree. I just don't know if I would be a coward or brave, dead or alive. I know I'd need new undies.

I see him as a coward too. that doesn't preclude me from feeling sorry for him. Nobody deserves this and life can sure change on a dime. Just ask the families of the deceased, those that are wounded that haven't been spoken of much, the survivors with their guilt, and yes this poor dude.

prayers for all.


Unrelated...have you see three billboards?
dstieger
8 years ago
nope...that the movie with the Fargo actress?
frankj1
8 years ago

nope...that the movie with the Fargo actress?

dstieger wrote:


yeah, with her.

high on my list but probably not gonna see it for a while.
teedubbya
8 years ago

nope...that the movie with the Fargo actress?

dstieger wrote:




Yes. interesting movie. i found my self settling in on liking certain characters and disliking others, then becoming not so sure, then changing which ones I liked, then not liking any of them, then liking most of them. Not in that order so as not to give away anything. I felt sorry for folks I shouldn't feel sorry for and at points didn't feel sorry for folks I should. Crazy good, albiet very different movie. Makes you think.

Frank.... wait awhile.
dstieger
8 years ago
i'll put it on the list....probably wait for netflix, tho


She might be the best actress of our time, but she'll always be Marge Gunderson to me...there's a short list of actors that are so perfect...they ruin it for all future roles for me
frankj1
8 years ago

Yes. interesting movie. i found my self settling in on liking certain characters and disliking others, then becoming not so sure, then changing which ones I liked, then not liking any of them, then liking most of them. Not in that order so as not to give away anything. I felt sorry for folks I shouldn't feel sorry for and at points didn't feel sorry for folks I should. Crazy good, albiet very different movie. Makes you think.

Frank.... wait awhile.

teedubbya wrote:


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Gene363
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8 years ago

I agree this "resource officer" dropped the ball.
But I'm not sure his job was to intervene during a school shooting. I think anthony has some knowledge of what a resource officer is expected to do at a school, but I was under the impression they are more to make sure kids aren't dealing drugs or little things like that.

Would it have been great if he chose that moment to be a hero? yeah... that would have totally been his moment.

But I don't really see a problem with this timeline.

victor809 wrote:



In a round about way you agree with a Trump comment re arming some teachers, because they know and love their students. Contrast the three teachers (unarmed) that were killed protecting students vs the armed Sheriff Deputy that pissed down his leg while those kids were being killed.
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