http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203903054.html

ZRX1200 wrote:

According to recently released data, the more guns in a given society the more gun fatalities, the tougher the state laws the fewer. There's a lot of verbiage at this link. Skip down to the actually stats. Pretty telling.

Here's a sampling:

"Americans make up less than 5 percent of the world’s population yet own roughly 42 percent of all the world’s privately held firearms."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/21/17028930/gun-violence-us-statistics-charts 

HuckFinn wrote:

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Yes, the people in Illinois, Maryland and New York are sooooo safe. Yet, they have the HIGHEST gun restriction legislation.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Did you look at the link?

HuckFinn wrote:

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Yes, the people in Illinois, Maryland and New York are sooooo safe. Yet, they have the HIGHEST gun restriction legislation.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Frank...Illinois has THE strictest gun control legislation on the books. Underneath the "Welcome to Illinois" signs when you cross into the state should be a smaller sign right under it..."A Gun Free Zone"


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-weeking-shootings-violence-20180205-story.html 


How does this happen then? Hey...the numbers are trending lower though...or is it not recorded correctly?

Tourists?


PS: Sorry Illinois...Chicago metro area is dragging you all down with it.

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Do you live in reality?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

A simple no, I didn't read the link would have sufficed.

"Guns are not the only contributor to violence. (Other factors include, for example, poverty, urbanization, and alcohol consumption.) But when researchers control for other confounding variables, they have found time and time again that America’s high levels of gun ownership are a major reason the US is so much worse in terms of gun violence than its developed peers."

Americans love their guns. I get it. I like guns. I lived in Vermont for years...

Taking away guns from most gun lovers is no different than taking away fishing tackle from guys who love to fish.

Letting the in-it-for-profit- only NRA fight this fight alone to keep laws and regulations the same shouldn't be a viable choice by gun owners. They need to enter the conversation.
Folks responsible on both sides of this argument need a fresh approach to gun ownership and regulation. The times they are a changin'

Unless kids getting murdered at schools is acceptable.

In my reality it isn't.

HuckFinn wrote:

This is where your adult conversation becomes a counterproductive and immature rant.

tailgater wrote:

that's why I wrote in the top paragraph "whatever those numbers mean", cuz MA also has top % gun control laws but that may not be the reason for the nation's lowest gun related deaths...I see the info, I simply don't know for sure that I am seeing proof of effectiveness, Certainly Illinois stats contradict the "proof" of effectiveness that MA enjoys.

frankj1 wrote:

A simple no, I didn't read the link would have sufficed.

"Guns are not the only contributor to violence. (Other factors include, for example, poverty, urbanization, and alcohol consumption.) But when researchers control for other confounding variables, they have found time and time again that America’s high levels of gun ownership are a major reason the US is so much worse in terms of gun violence than its developed peers."

Americans love their guns. I get it. I like guns. I lived in Vermont for years...

Taking away guns from most gun lovers is no different than taking away fishing tackle from guys who love to fish.

Letting the in-it-for-profit- only NRA fight this fight alone to keep laws and regulations the same shouldn't be a viable choice by gun owners. They need to enter the conversation.
Folks responsible on both sides of this argument need a fresh approach to gun ownership and regulation. The times they are a changin'

Unless kids getting murdered at schools is acceptable.

In my reality it isn't.

HuckFinn wrote:

You lived in Vermont for years. If only we were talking about wearing flannel shirts year round and tapping maple trees for syrup! Vermont does enjoy its hunting...out of necessity...the deer population would STARVE if they weren't culled. The hunting is more out of mercy than enjoyment of the sport.

Which lobby spends more in DC to get their agenda pushed through...Planned Parenthood or the NRA?

Take your time.

Which one has killed more?

DrMaddVibe wrote:

Frank...Illinois has THE strictest gun control legislation on the books.

DrMaddVibe wrote: