Even though the right to safely sit in a classroom, without worries that you and your school might experience a shooting, that right, though not on the books or in the constitution trumps the 2nd amendment.

As stated in another thread what right could be more important than Life?

HuckFinn wrote:

Let's make no mistake about this, demons are real and the modern term for it is really called mental health. Clearly if something in a person's mind possesses them to shoot up random innocent people that means all the checks and balances in that person's head have been elimated. A lot of people crack at an economic breakdown, relationship breaks, political/social breaks, family loss, et cetera. They're pretty weak willed. You have to be so well developed in life that nothing can break you. The Bible has a perfect example of this in Job. He is probably the one of the most deeply fortified men in history.

jjanecka wrote:

You continue to insist that the fought lays with the tool and not the actor, so let's run with that. You also asked "what right could be more important than Life?". Let's see how strongly you believe what you preach.

Every year, over 10,000 Americans are killed on our highways by alcohol (remember, you blame the tool). The right of drivers to be able to travel our highways without the fear of an alcohol impaired driver plowing into them, trumps your right to enjoy alcohol. I mean, what right could be more important than life, correct?

Every SINGLE DAY, 9 Americans are killed and 1,000 are injured by cell phones (again, to be consistent, we must blame the tool). A driver's right to travel our highways, without being killed or maimed by a cell phone distracted driver, trumps your right to use a cell phone. Again, what right could be more important than life?

According to the National Safety Council, 7,000 people each year are killed by swimming pools. In addition, over 5,000 children each year are hospitalized for near drowning events. 20% of these children suffer permanent disabilities. A child's right to not be killed or permanently disabled by a swimming pool trumps your right to swim. Life is more important than recreation.

I could go on, and on, and on, but hopefully, you understand my point.

Oh, and before you go off on some tangent about how guns where "designed to kill", let me stop you right there. Guns where designed to do one thing. Fire a projectile. That projectile can be used for sport or competition, it can be used to put food on the table, it can be used to protect innocent life, and sadly, in the hands of a murderer, it can be used to take innocent life. The actor decides what that tool does. The tool has no mind of it's own. There are studies that show that guns are used hundreds of thousands of times each year to protect innocent life, or to prevent a crime, usually without firing a single shot. Taking this tool out of the hands of good folk, could result in several hundred thousand additional murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, etc. each year. Is this tradeoff worth your illusion (and yes, it is only an illusion) that school children would then be safe?

David (dpnewell)

Mrs. dpnewell wrote:

You could be sitting in a classroom and be blown up, carbon monoxide poisoned, stabbed in the ear with a pencil.....The world is a dangerous place, you CANNOT legislate away all the dangers people face in the course of their lives........No place is safe from the dangers in the world, even your home is filled with danger--fall down stairs, slip in tub, fire........danger is all around you and no one is safe 😨

RMAN4443 wrote:

You continue to insist that the fought lays with the tool and not the actor, so let's run with that. You also asked "what right could be more important than Life?". Let's see how strongly you believe what you preach.

Already trying to format my response

Every year, over 10,000 Americans are killed on our highways by alcohol (remember, you blame the tool). The right of drivers to be able to travel our highways without the fear of an alcohol impaired driver plowing into them, trumps your right to enjoy alcohol. I mean, what right could be more important than life, correct?

If we could lower that number by making mandatory breathalyzers in all cars wouldn't that be a fair price to pay? I'd be in. You?


Every SINGLE DAY, 9 Americans are killed and 1,000 are injured by cell phones (again, to be consistent, we must blame the tool). A driver's right to travel our highways, without being killed or maimed by a cell phone distracted driver, trumps your right to use a cell phone. Again, what right could be more important than life?

Make the punishment for using your cell while driving severe enough to discourage/stop it. People reluctantly used seat belts at first until it hit their wallets a few times. How bout jail time for repeat offenders. Just to please Vic.

According to the National Safety Council, 7,000 people each year are killed by swimming pools. In addition, over 5,000 children each year are hospitalized for near drowning events. 20% of these children suffer permanent disabilities. A child's right to not be killed or permanently disabled by a swimming pool trumps your right to swim. Life is more important than recreation.

I could go on, and on, and on, but hopefully, you understand my point.

I know. You could.

Oh, and before you go off on some tangent about how guns where "designed to kill", let me stop you right there. Guns where designed to do one thing. Fire a projectile. That projectile can be used for sport or competition, it can be used to put food on the table, it can be used to protect innocent life, and sadly, in the hands of a murderer, it can be used to take innocent life. The actor decides what that tool does. The tool has no mind of it's own. There are studies that show that guns are used hundreds of thousands of times each year to protect innocent life, or to prevent a crime, usually without firing a single shot. Taking this tool out of the hands of good folk, could result in several hundred thousand additional murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, etc. each year. Is this tradeoff worth your illusion (and yes, it is only an illusion) that school children would then be safe?

David (dpnewell)

Mrs. dpnewell wrote:

With ya till the end there huck...
But CamAnal and Griffith were not examples of citizen rights being taken away.

She was not jailed or punished by the govt for her words, and CamAnal used a private company's freely given data to screw with us.

Too often the right whines about their 1st amendment rights being taken when it has nothing to do with actual 1st amendment rights. Let's not start emulating them by doing the same.

victor809 wrote:

You have a right to privacy.... from government.

If you load all your crap on Facebook and that data gets leaked... that's not a rights issue. It's a contract violation issue at best. It's only a rights issue if the government forces facebook to give it to them.

victor809 wrote:

My question is this... Is Freedom a Right?
Also when one says "Restrictions" what "Restrictions" are we speaking of.

Ewok126 wrote:

Then why are there hate crimes..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote: