frankj1
8 years ago

I'm not anti work visa.
I'm anti owners who complain and blame others for their fiscal woes.

If I owned a seasonal joint I would absolutely want these special visas.
Supply and demand. I can pay less and demand more because there are more people than jobs.

As a father with kids trying to find summer hours in the same job market I DON'T like the seasonal work visas.
My kids have a hard time finding a job that will offer more than 20-25 hours.

There are two sides to the issue, but only one side gets reported by the liberal rags that you read.
And the truth is that there are still thousands of these visas offered. It's just less than in previous years.

We all want our children to grow up with a strong work ethic.
That becomes difficult when the plentiful local economy would rather pay temporary foreigners.

So stop your bellyaching.
If a restaurant can't survive without these visas then they don't deserve to be in business.

tailgater wrote:


one of these days you'll actually answer my question...

do the "special visa" restaurant workers, and specifically wait staff, get paid less hourly than citizens? Do either get Minimum Wage or is it the way I was paid with reported tips making up the difference?

And it's not just less visas, you still need to win a lottery more or less to get foreign seasonal help.
tailgater
8 years ago
Your question is irrelevant.

These workers are tied to the jobs.
Without the prearranged job, they get no visa.
And with the ADDITIONAL workers, the owners can hire more people and give less hours to each.

It's not a matter of hourly pay.

To answer your question directly, I don't know. But I assume they need to get paid the same as everyone else.
frankj1
8 years ago

Your question is irrelevant.

These workers are tied to the jobs.
Without the prearranged job, they get no visa.
And with the ADDITIONAL workers, the owners can hire more people and give less hours to each.

It's not a matter of hourly pay.

To answer your question directly, I don't know. But I assume they need to get paid the same as everyone else.

tailgater wrote:


and does everyone else in the wait staff pool make less than minimum wage?
frankj1
8 years ago
relevance is hanging in the balance...HA!
tailgater
8 years ago

and does everyone else in the wait staff pool make less than minimum wage?

frankj1 wrote:



Why you worried about wage?

frankj1
8 years ago

Why you worried about wage?

tailgater wrote:


you said:

The employers just don't want to compete (ie pay higher wages)



if the legals make the same as the local kids...

I'm thinking the locals won't do the same jobs for the same money.
That, or many more workers are needed than the Cape can supply.

Still not relevant?

This only makes me want to get together sooner!
delta1
8 years ago
yea, but who'll bring your drinks and food, bus the table and empty the ash-trays?
frankj1
8 years ago

yea, but who'll bring your drinks and food, bus the table and empty the ash-trays?

delta1 wrote:


I ain't going to da Cape until I know.

Though I am looking for a house for a week in July...
I'll make my own drinks if it helps. I'll take minimum wage.
frankj1
8 years ago

They kept on revising numbers lower each and every time and sometimes multiple times! Anything to try to show that his policies were having a positive effect. During the entire debacle of giving cash away to corporations I stated that we would be better off giving each and every LEGAL (see how I tied it back?? Gotta give me that one!) American one million US dollars. It would've been a better use of the money.

Warren did nothing to arrest those responsible. The only people that were arrested were small fish. Not ONE Goldman Sachs...not ONE! As for "my guy"...no...it ALL happened here...

http://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-the-warning/ 

The Carpetbagging Clintons.

Could've ALL been avoided...WAAAAY back when using agencies the correct way. Instead everyone still wants to defer to the Federal Reserve like they're an expert. They're the biggest bunch of thieves ever, we were warned about centralized banking by our Founding Fathers. Once again...THEY were right.

As for continuation of Bush's policies...He was going to be "different". Hope and Change. Transparent. Instead we were lied to and most were conned. There were a lot of people that weren't "bamboozled". Tried to warn everyone too. Oh well. He's the only President to make Jimmy Carter appear legitimate. I'll give the Kenyan King that.



DrMaddVibe wrote:


everyone hates it when forced to admit that leaders they supported caused stuff, and I know there is an ever changing time line on cbid as to how far back one can go, but the Reagan Administration's easing/gutting of banking/lending restrictions is what set it all in motion.

not that it matters now, but it precedes Warren and Clinton.

And exactly how did you expect a Senator (Warren) to also enforce the regulations and arrest violators? The swamp
has now been strained, not drained.

Goldman Sacks? They're baaa-aaack!



tailgater
8 years ago

you said:

The employers just don't want to compete (ie pay higher wages)



if the legals make the same as the local kids...

I'm thinking the locals won't do the same jobs for the same money.
That, or many more workers are needed than the Cape can supply.

Still not relevant?

This only makes me want to get together sooner!

frankj1 wrote:



Higher wages due to supply and demand.
But with the visas in place, the owners have no worries because their work force is locked in. No need to give a raise, and no concern about the worker quitting.

Your assumption (more workers than the Cape can supply) is a false one.
To be fair, it does get difficult for some owners right after Labor Day, because the college kids are gone before the summer crowd leaves.
But that hardly justifies disrupting an entire population who want to work.

The program is a good one. But it became too large. There is no place for the workers to live, which drives up the price on housing that otherwise would have gone to lower income families.

So other than preventing young adults from working, and driving low income families onto the street, I can see why you think it's worth it so you can hear an Irish brogue with your morning oatmeal while visiting this island that I call home.


I'm thinking the Rye Tavern in Pine Hills.
Send Caren. You can stay home.


tailgater
8 years ago

I ain't going to da Cape until I know.

Though I am looking for a house for a week in July...
I'll make my own drinks if it helps. I'll take minimum wage.

frankj1 wrote:



You'll need that job to pay for the rental.

https://www.capenews.net/regional_news/state-senate-passes-short-term-rental-tax-bill/article_d8e3deb0-3890-5fed-aaa3-cb81e073febc.html 

tailgater
8 years ago
In the news this morning they say that crab prices will climb because of the lack of the J1 work visas.
I guess the shell fisheries use foreigners almost exclusively for this job.

Maybe with the reduced visa numbers, we could channel all the visa applicants into these crappy labor jobs, rather than the desirable service industry jobs that our own children are being blocked from.

Then you can visit the crabbery and listen to the gals swear in that sweet irish brogue.

Win/win.

(but not Steve Winn. He's persona non grata round these parts.)
frankj1
8 years ago
I can agree to some degree with your position, but ...

Pine Hills? We tried to make that happen before, so now we must.

I'll let you know when to expect Caren. You don't have to make her bed in the morning.
delta1
8 years ago
I have a bad feeling that this administration will end like previous GOP led ones...economy in recession, some economic crisis...maybe the hospitality, travel/gaming and restaurant businesses will be in the cross-hairs this time...that would be ironic...
frankj1
8 years ago

In the news this morning they say that crab prices will climb because of the lack of the J1 work visas.
I guess the shell fisheries use foreigners almost exclusively for this job.

Maybe with the reduced visa numbers, we could channel all the visa applicants into these crappy labor jobs, rather than the desirable service industry jobs that our own children are being blocked from.

Then you can visit the crabbery and listen to the gals swear in that sweet irish brogue.

Win/win.

(but not Steve Winn. He's persona non grata round these parts.)

tailgater wrote:


wassa matta wif you?

the fishing industry jobs go strictly to the illegal immigrants. You're gonna upset the MA Economy.

Wait staff aside, are the Cape kids being shut out of the maid positions too? Man what I would have given to make beds and clean toilets all Summer in High School.

DrafterX
8 years ago
Picking crabs can't be that hard... 😟
SmokeMonkey
8 years ago
Every time I see this thread, I think it says “Midget Caravan.” Imagine my disappointment.
DrafterX
8 years ago
Ya... poor Monkey Dude... 😞
jjanecka
8 years ago
All I know is that you only have to show them how to do it once and they can replicate it 100 times.
tailgater
8 years ago

wassa matta wif you?

the fishing industry jobs go strictly to the illegal immigrants. You're gonna upset the MA Economy.

Wait staff aside, are the Cape kids being shut out of the maid positions too? Man what I would have given to make beds and clean toilets all Summer in High School.

frankj1 wrote:



You suggesting I should wear my french maids outfit again?

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