I'm not bothered by it as long as they are not being abused. What I'm saying, is I think the kids are more likely to be abused in a mixed detention environment.

I personally think it's a better solution to separate them.

bgz wrote:

I've always wished they did more to curb illegal immigration. For years, it seems most people I've talked to felt at least partially the same way.

From what I can tell, illegal immigration has always been a bipartisan issue. The republicans wanted the cheap labor, the democrats wanted the extra votes... so nothing ever got done.

What happens when someone steps up and actually tries to do something about it? Both sides start pleading to the bleeding hearts... it's still a bipartisan issue.

All the elites want illegals to come pouring in.

As far as them separating people at the border... most the kids in the camp came without parents where the parents threw them on the truck hoping they could get through after the kids got in.

They come here because historically it's been easier to get in here than other countries they could possibly sneak into and the penalties are... well, with all the sanctuary cities... no penalties, but BENEFITS!

So, I have no sympathy for them. We have enough people in this country to worry about, we don't need more illegals clogging up our schools and chewing up our tax dollars.

Our immigration laws are some of the most lax in the world, it's about time someone did something about it. You can claim how horrible it is or what ever, but Trump is the first president I ever seen who actually tried to do something about it. We can argue about his methods or what ever, but I'll take this over doing nothing any day of the week.

bgz wrote:

Trump is trying to force the issue, and that's a good thing IMO.

bgz wrote:

And once again illegals will get better treatment than lifelong Amarican taxpayers.. [-(

DrafterX wrote:

Disney should donate a couple cruise ships so the kids can stay with their criminal parents... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

I don't know if they are any more qualified to make that assessment than anyone else. How many illegal border crossers do they know? If given a choice, would they trust their own children caged with a bunch of random poverty stricken people from third world countries, or with trained professionals that are held accountable for their actions?

bgz wrote:

I get the sense they have actually looked at it not just here but around the world. I could be wrong.

Here is their statement

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) strongly opposes the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which was released by the U.S. House of Representatives leadership today. Instead of putting children first by ending the harmful policy of family separation at the border once and for all, this legislation strips children of protections designed for their safety and well-being and exposes more children, not fewer, to detention, including long-term detention. Pediatricians have repeatedly spoken out against the detention of immigrant children; this legislation is not the answer and puts children at greater risk of harm.

“The AAP urges the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice to immediately end the policy of family separation. Separating children from their parents contradicts everything we stand for as pediatricians – protecting and promoting children’s health. We know that family separation causes irreparable harm to children. This type of highly stressful experience can disrupt the building of children's brain architecture. Prolonged exposure to serious stress – known as toxic stress – can lead to lifelong health consequences.

“Detention of children is not a solution to the forced separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border. A 2017 AAP policy statement urges that immigrant children seeking safe haven in the United States should never be placed in detention facilities. Studies of detained immigrants have shown that children and parents may suffer negative physical and emotional symptoms from detention, including anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress disorder. Conditions in U.S. detention facilities, which include forcing children to sleep on cement floors, open toilets, constant light exposure, insufficient food and water, no bathing facilities, and extremely cold temperatures, are traumatizing for children. These are not appropriate places for children.

“We must remember that immigrant children are still children. Protections for children in law or by the courts exist because children are uniquely vulnerable and are at high risk for trauma, trafficking, and violence. The Academy urges the U.S. House of Representatives to reject the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act.”


That said they are pro immunization too.

teedubbya wrote:

I get the sense they have actually looked at it not just here but around the world. I could be wrong.

Here is their statement

“The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) strongly opposes the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which was released by the U.S. House of Representatives leadership today. Instead of putting children first by ending the harmful policy of family separation at the border once and for all, this legislation strips children of protections designed for their safety and well-being and exposes more children, not fewer, to detention, including long-term detention. Pediatricians have repeatedly spoken out against the detention of immigrant children; this legislation is not the answer and puts children at greater risk of harm.

“The AAP urges the Department of Homeland Security and Department of Justice to immediately end the policy of family separation. Separating children from their parents contradicts everything we stand for as pediatricians – protecting and promoting children’s health. We know that family separation causes irreparable harm to children. This type of highly stressful experience can disrupt the building of children's brain architecture. Prolonged exposure to serious stress – known as toxic stress – can lead to lifelong health consequences.

“Detention of children is not a solution to the forced separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border. A 2017 AAP policy statement urges that immigrant children seeking safe haven in the United States should never be placed in detention facilities. Studies of detained immigrants have shown that children and parents may suffer negative physical and emotional symptoms from detention, including anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress disorder. Conditions in U.S. detention facilities, which include forcing children to sleep on cement floors, open toilets, constant light exposure, insufficient food and water, no bathing facilities, and extremely cold temperatures, are traumatizing for children. These are not appropriate places for children.

“We must remember that immigrant children are still children. Protections for children in law or by the courts exist because children are uniquely vulnerable and are at high risk for trauma, trafficking, and violence. The Academy urges the U.S. House of Representatives to reject the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act.”


That said they are pro immunization too.

teedubbya wrote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a4b4c43dca56

ZRX1200 wrote:

RMAN if that's what you take from it good on you.

teedubbya wrote:

It's a crime to crash our borders....criminals are being detained(some with children)….Adult detention centers are no place to place children...

I just don't understand where you think the children should be placed where they will get all their safety and health needs met

I hear all the talk about the children, but no one has said "I'll step in and take 2-3 of these poor children into my home, and feed and clothe them until their parents come for them(if they ever do)"

if 1000 people would financially support 2 of these children indefinitely they wouldn't be being held in a detention center and the issue would be moot

RMAN4443 wrote:

Do they have refugee puppy-dogs..?? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

funny you should mention that.... you may think this is BS but my wife and I have been actively talking about doing just that. To the point that we are looking for a bigger house. She has contacts to arrange fostering and has friends already doing so. She's been working with the latino and american Indian communities for years. Much of my opinion s are first hand rather than through the news. Equally unreliable at times.

So in answer to your question.... I know I'm an extreme minority here but I will.... or at least am willing to.

As for family detention its doable and has been done. Its not as if you put them in general population at Leavenworth. Its operationally likely easier than splitting them adn dealing with the kids on their own

teedubbya wrote: