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tailgater
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8 years ago

#41

Tail... Policy was the trump administrations word, not mine. You have a problem with it go talk to that cluster of morons.

Additionally, from what I understand, the Obama administration policy was to release families and tell them to show up at a court date. Apparently a much higher percentage of them actually did show up at court dates than I would have expected.... I think I remember 80%...

victor809 wrote:

Semantics.
We're enforcing existing laws.
Saying that it's Trumps doing implies that he made a law/rule to tear families apart.

As for the catch and release percentages, I've heard 75% up to 90%, so your number sounds good. And I was surprised also.
But I like the idea of a secure border, and I'd like to see it accomplished without a wall.

Zero tolerance is a good place to start.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#42

Like Build That Wall!

Or "Lock Her Up!"

Or "Believe Me!"

Or "Nobody Knows!"

Or "Fake News!"

Or "No Collusion!"

Or "Illegal Immigrants! ALL Criminals! Rapists and Drug Dealers!"

Or "Democrats Hate America!"

Repetition does seem to have mesmerized some folks, you're right!

I can't decide who's dumber: Trump, or the people who continue to support him!

HuckFinn wrote:

Russia!

HuckFinn
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#43

Russia!

tailgater wrote:

My personal favorite.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#44

I agree it's semantics tail. But it's their semantics.
The adminstration bragged about their new "policy" up until the point people started pointing out kids in cages...

The previous administration had a policy of dealing with families with children. The new administration has a policy of dealing with families with children. The first let them go, and hoped they would come back for their hearing. The current administration specifically chose to put them in cells.

Both are enforcing the law (at least for the 80% who showed up for their hearing... 20% of families didn't get enforced)...

I don't particularly like children... So I'm more amused by this than bothered. And very amused trump backed down like the cuck he is. And still tried to act like he really wanted to be tough...

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#45

So if Trump keeps the kids in cages he's evil.
But when he uses an executive order to prevent it he's "backing down"?

In other words, he can't win with you no matter what he does.

At least you're honest about it.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#46

... I don't believe I ever said keeping children in cages was evil.

Nonetheless, one can change ones mind in a manner that implies you understand why you are changing it. Or you can do it the way trump did and act like a little cuck who's still trying to be "tough". Feel free to listen to his statements, read his tweets surrounding it. You'll be super impressed by how presidential he is.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#47

He solved the problem with out eliminating Zero Tolerance... That's why the left is still pissed off.... Except for Frank of course.. Frank be cool hell... 😟

HuckFinn
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#48

tailgater wrote:

Your rationale is ...be kind...terrible!

If uncle Ed throws his nephew who he knows can't swim in the pool, and then jumps in to save him, is he a hero?

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#49

Sounds like he's teaching him to swim... 😟

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#50

Puppy-dogs are born knowing how to swim.. 😟

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#51

Your rationale is ...be kind...terrible!

If uncle Ed throws his nephew who he knows can't swim in the pool, and then jumps in to save him, is he a hero?

HuckFinn wrote:

Trumphausen by proxy

Buckwheat
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#52

I don't read Time. Just saw the so-called news articles.

🍺

And MACS... You know nobody on the left cares about the truth or reality...

If they can take Trump down they will stop at nothing... no matter how unethical or immoral.

Just the way it is today.

#-o

bs_kwaj wrote:

And now for my straw man argument! 🌫

Can you say "Birtherism"? I knew you could! [frypan]

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#53

TW..!! 🤣

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#54

victor809 wrote:

That's true, you are anti-child.
Fine.

But I've never considered the Donald "presidential" in his actions.
Much of the criticism regarding his personality is spot-on. He's a dink and tries to be a bully.
Terrible attributes for someone in that position.

But Jimmy Carter was a gentleman and a scholar, yet an incompetent fool as POTUS.

Dig deeper.
Trump isn't a savior, but he's getting results.

tailgater
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#55

Your rationale is ...be kind...terrible!

If uncle Ed throws his nephew who he knows can't swim in the pool, and then jumps in to save him, is he a hero?

HuckFinn wrote:

I remember my first beer.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#56

I remember my first beer.

tailgater wrote:

That one time at band camp?

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#57

And one of those results is that our president sounds like a child on the world stage.

I don't care if you love the few accomplishments trump has had more than your left nut (or drafter's left nut even)... You simply can't wave away the things he says and the things he tweets as nothing.

Words have consequences. They signal to our enemies, they signal to our allies, they signal to our own citizens.

We now have our own citizens yelling racist crap at other citizens who they think are illegal immigrants... They are literally using the same words trump does. He has inspired them.

He could have changed his mind and done so in a way that didn't make himself sound like a spoiled, sniveling child so that his supporters could see how to act in the world. He chose not to. I will criticize him for being a terrible person.

DrafterX
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#58

Huck is an uncle f'er..?? 😕

frankj1
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#59

He solved the problem with out eliminating Zero Tolerance... That's why the left is still pissed off.... Except for Frank of course.. Frank be cool hell... 😟

DrafterX wrote:

true, true.

but da news now is the border people have actually backed off zero tolerance.

delta1
Herf-A-Holic

8 years ago

#60

It isn't the "enforcing of the law" that is the issue...it is the manner in which the law is enforced...

Trump's change is that there is zero tolerance for anyone coming into the US at places other than gates of entry. All of them would be treated as invading criminals and be subjected to criminal proceedings and then deportation proceedings. Asylum seekers need not apply. The Trump administration also made the intentional choice to take children away from their families crossing into the US because it was believed that this would be so frightening a prospect that other invaders thinking about infesting our country would be deterred from doing it...they did so with more than 2,000 children without an adequate process of identifying the children and their families and re-uniting them...hence a "task force" has been created to re-unite kids with their families.... because these were illegal aliens, not people...infesters who didn't deserve to be treated like an American criminal...

I purposely used terms attributed to Trump and his people planning, implementing and defending their policy...if any of them hit a nerve, apologies...

only because they got outrage and backlash from all corners by just and moral people, on the right and on the left, from every corner of the globe...and an explanation that this policy was un-Constitutional, a violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause....did the Trump WH reboot the policy...they did not get an injection of humanity, empathy, compassion or concern over the plight of the illegal aliens, a term they insist on using to continue to dehumanize fellow human beings...

just as that term, "Illegal Alien" was written into US law a century ago, to dehumanize Chinese immigrants...so our civil society hasn't advanced as far as we would like to think...

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